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Susan,

I don't agree with Robert or Bruce (or Graham for that matter) on the best interpretation of recent archeological, dna, and other evidence supporting various newly modified theories of human evolution--but that's where we are right now.

We disagree--and there are good reasons for almost anyone to disagree about something.

Not that I know.

These are interesting times. As we gather more information, we're being forced to rethink.

Here's your response to Robert:

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Robert: The fossil record can only point to what happened – we need to speculate on what might have been driving it.

Susan: I think 'speculate' is the wrong word. Questions arising from observations and ideas are constantly being raised, but unless tests can be devised to verify the guessed-at, possible answers, then you are back to your starting point of a guess.

And why do you say 'driving it'? Random mutations, natural selection, might - did- mean that species with lucky adaptations etc survived, those without did not. No species knew what the future would be nor could they plan for it.

Robert made a very long and involved answer that was very responsive to your comments--requiring you to have a more detailed understanding of evolutionary theory than the simplified Darwinian view you had been presenting--justifying the need to speculate.

Your response was to accuse him of hijacking the thread and--without directly and substantially responding to his elaborate comments--dismissively said:


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Speculate is all we can do …

is so far from anything factual that my response can only be deep sighs at the credulity of anyone who accepts your ideas.

I do hope that you are not in a position to teach children this stuff as truth.

If you ask questions about scientific concepts, respond to Robert's explanation. A lot of his approach involves making interesting calculations and comparisons: you make it sound like "crazy talk."

Very unfair.

Why not a substantive response to Robert? He did a lot of hard work responding to you.

Ray

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The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 4516 Bruce R. Fenton 01-Jun-17 11:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 1019 Susan Doris 02-Jun-17 05:45
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 802 Bruce R. Fenton 02-Jun-17 06:56
Related threads on GHMB 868 drrayeye 02-Jun-17 17:06
Re: Related threads on GHMB 703 Bruce R. Fenton 03-Jun-17 10:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 741 laughin 05-Jun-17 21:06
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 727 Bruce R. Fenton 06-Jun-17 04:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 729 SallyA 07-Jun-17 02:28
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 618 Bruce R. Fenton 07-Jun-17 04:40
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 928 Thanos5150 06-Jun-17 14:29
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 746 SallyA 07-Jun-17 02:55
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 696 Bruce R. Fenton 07-Jun-17 05:47
... 729 SallyA 08-Jun-17 04:00
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution ..-_-.. question one 644 Bruce R. Fenton 08-Jun-17 04:37
... 737 SallyA 08-Jun-17 06:51
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 624 Thanos5150 07-Jun-17 16:15
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 757 Thanos5150 07-Jun-17 19:38
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 724 Bruce R. Fenton 08-Jun-17 03:20
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 607 Bruce R. Fenton 07-Jun-17 05:33
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 919 Thanos5150 07-Jun-17 16:08
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 662 SallyA 08-Jun-17 05:17
... 737 SallyA 08-Jun-17 06:06
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 708 Bruce R. Fenton 09-Jun-17 02:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution -- thank you 664 SallyA 09-Jun-17 03:47
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 816 Thanos5150 11-Jun-17 16:13
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 598 Bruce R. Fenton 12-Jun-17 09:26
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 632 Bruce R. Fenton 09-Jun-17 02:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 716 Thanos5150 09-Jun-17 23:54
OOA strikes back - the sequel 763 laughin 08-Jun-17 13:09
Re: OOA strikes back - the sequel 660 Bruce R. Fenton 08-Jun-17 15:37
Re: OOA strikes back - the sequel 661 Thanos5150 08-Jun-17 17:23
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 643 Robert Jameson 11-Jun-17 06:13
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 643 Bruce R. Fenton 11-Jun-17 11:46
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 795 Robert Jameson 12-Jun-17 05:34
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 654 dong 12-Jun-17 06:51
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 718 Robert Jameson 12-Jun-17 13:32
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 724 Bruce R. Fenton 12-Jun-17 09:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 621 Robert Jameson 12-Jun-17 12:40
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 690 Susan Doris 14-Jun-17 05:02
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 692 Robert Jameson 14-Jun-17 05:45
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 717 michael seabrook 13-Jun-17 22:09
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 723 Robert Jameson 13-Jun-17 00:51
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 624 SallyA 13-Jun-17 01:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 604 Robert Jameson 13-Jun-17 02:44
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution. -- off topic .. senmutt tomb. .. Giza hosts an inland sea 790 SallyA 13-Jun-17 02:59
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution. -- off topic .. senmutt tomb 588 Robert Jameson 13-Jun-17 03:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution. -- off topic .. senmutt tomb 651 SallyA 13-Jun-17 04:04
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 708 Thanos5150 14-Jun-17 15:55
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 783 Robert Jameson 14-Jun-17 17:54
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 609 michael seabrook 16-Jun-17 21:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 628 Robert Jameson 16-Jun-17 22:47
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution Excellent and ... 698 SallyA 16-Jun-17 23:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution Excellent and ... 698 Robert Jameson 17-Jun-17 09:44
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 604 Susan Doris 17-Jun-17 14:17
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 667 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 02:43
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 621 Susan Doris 18-Jun-17 09:24
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 676 Bruce R. Fenton 18-Jun-17 11:04
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 677 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 11:14
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 587 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 11:04
Unfair diversion 517 drrayeye 18-Jun-17 21:35
Re: Proto-sumerian ... Ukraine ... a bit late for into Africa I fear, probably mis-posted 780 SallyA 19-Jun-17 03:00
Re: Unfair diversion 715 Susan Doris 19-Jun-17 05:20
Unfair diversion for sure 604 drrayeye 19-Jun-17 05:47
Re: Unfair diversion for sure 664 Susan Doris 20-Jun-17 04:56
Robert's challenge 705 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 07:24
Re: Robert's challenge 598 Robert Jameson 26-Jun-17 11:17
Tangential 592 drrayeye 27-Jun-17 05:03
Re: Tangential 603 Robert Jameson 27-Jun-17 06:12
Wrong board 622 drrayeye 27-Jun-17 06:38
Re: Wrong board 577 Robert Jameson 27-Jun-17 08:03
Re: Tangential 611 Eddie Larry 27-Jun-17 15:59
Re:Susan, do you know of a time line? 623 SallyA 19-Jun-17 17:48
Re: Unfair diversion 682 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:44
Re: Unfair diversion 596 drrayeye 19-Jun-17 15:40
Re: Unfair diversion 710 Robert Jameson 19-Jun-17 23:14
Re: Unfair diversion 609 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 00:31
Re: Unfair diversion 677 Robert Jameson 20-Jun-17 10:19
kicking a dead horse 621 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 14:36
Re: kicking a dead horse 526 Robert Jameson 20-Jun-17 23:49
Staying on topic 606 drrayeye 21-Jun-17 01:15
Re: Unfair diversion 618 Thanos5150 20-Jun-17 15:24
Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 545 SallyA 20-Jun-17 15:59
Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 514 Bruce R. Fenton 26-Jun-17 10:21
Interesting 592 drrayeye 27-Jun-17 06:50
Re: Interesting 478 Bruce R. Fenton 27-Jun-17 22:32
Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 484 Eddie Larry 28-Jun-17 04:37
Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 828 Bruce R. Fenton 28-Jun-17 04:41
Re: Unfair diversion 562 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 15:59
Off Topic: re: factors which alter .. Earth's shields don't block cygnets ... nor neutrinos, ... 536 SallyA 20-Jun-17 21:13
Re: Unfair diversion 513 SallyA 21-Jun-17 01:37
Focus 612 drrayeye 21-Jun-17 07:30
Re: Focus 680 Bruce R. Fenton 26-Jun-17 10:26
Re: Focus 586 Susan Doris 26-Jun-17 16:51
Re: Focus... ah, my bad ... 490 SallyA 11-Feb-18 19:40
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 681 Bruce R. Fenton 17-Jun-17 12:12
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 615 Robert Jameson 26-Jun-17 06:32
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 593 Bruce R. Fenton 26-Jun-17 11:57
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 741 Robert Jameson 26-Jun-17 13:59
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 427 lalbee 16-Feb-18 13:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 411 lalbee 17-Feb-18 02:25
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 427 Bruce R. Fenton 17-Feb-18 04:13
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 406 lalbee 17-Feb-18 05:56
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 431 Bruce R. Fenton 17-Feb-18 06:27
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 565 lalbee 18-Feb-18 15:17
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 438 drrayeye 21-Feb-18 13:48
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 421 lalbee 22-Feb-18 16:45
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 418 Robert Jameson 22-Feb-18 19:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 798 Bruce R. Fenton 22-Feb-18 23:07
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 430 Bruce R. Fenton 22-Feb-18 23:00


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