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Bruce Fenton: Thank you for your response, I must admit to being disappointed to see that you have largely evaded my responses to your initial post and moved away into what seems to be personal religious convictions - divorced from any reasonable science based debate.

Sorry if you thought I was pushing a religious concept – that is certainly not the case.

From my book; 'Bali to Bairnsdale Alignment and Earth’s Reproductive Chakra', Author Intro, p5

Author Intro:

Not all who read this treatise will regard it as credible or share my belief in a creator-being. And I realise many are justifiably suspicious of people who express unconventional views on what might be our meaning and purpose in life. So before presenting it, I would like to clarify some important issues…

First is that this work does not attempt to promote a religious faith nor seek to recruit people to any community of believers. I do not claim to have had a revelation from God, to be his messenger, to be called to do his work, to lead his people or to be motivated by any such aspirations.


Also; I do not take ownership of the God Gametes concept and, where possible, when writing my books I have not used any of the first person personal pronouns; (i.e. I, me, my, mine etc.). I have tried countless times to develop my thesis on university campus. Unfortunately however, as soon as I mention that my concept does not follow the gradualist evolutionary paradigm, I get pointed to the door.
Yes, I use God in the title of my book (and for the name of the concept). I suppose I could have called my book ‘Fred’s Gametes Theory’. That way I would not have had to wear the label ‘Jesus freak’ – but the title may have been a little confusing.

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Bruce Fenton: The London Hammer is a great example of my earlier scepticism, it absolutely matches my given reason for why so many out of place artefacts are easily dismissed or ignored.

Thank you for your comments re the London Hammer. Yes I guess there are a lot of these ancient artefacts that have doubt as to their authenticity. The last thing I want is to quote sources that are not reliable. As mentioned earlier I would have liked to have written up my thesis on university campus. Unfortunately my research and writing has not been under the tutelage of professional academics – and work and family commitments has always demanded priority on my time and financial resources.

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Bruce Fenton: I feel you are deliberately shifting the goal posts by pointing me towards evidence of technology in ancient Egypt or briefly mentioning Gobekli Tepe as evidence of ancient civilisation. The megaliths of the Giza plateau and Aswan, along with those of Gobekli Tepe, are all well dated to the known historical period - that is the last 12,000 years. Nobody has any problem with their being civilisations in that period, or there being widespread evidence of civilisations and advanced technology in that period.

I am not disputing that there were earlier advanced civilisations. The point re machining on the Giza plateau and Aswan is that the technology is so advanced that even today we cannot match it. There is a lot that could be said in support of this claim but I am sure readers of this post are familiar with the work of Christopher Dunn and many others who deal with ancient advanced technology. If not, please contemplate how, pre iron age and pre the invention of the wheel, these ancient people planned to transport a 1,200 tonne obelisk.

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Bruce Fenton: I think you skirted around answering my point about 50,000 years being plenty of time for Australian Aboriginal people to build boats and migrate.

You are probably correct here. Sorry if I do not debate at length the considerable data you present in support of your case – I just do not believe it. I lived and worked on the Aboriginal Pitjantjatjara Home Lands in the north west of South Australia for 3 years. While I have great affection, and great admiration, for the Australian Aboriginal people I do not see them as having the technical knowhow, or the desire, to navigate the world’s oceans. As mentioned in my earlier post the claim that the Australian Aboriginal people sailed the oceans seem to be based on rock art that is of unknown origin and disputed authenticity.

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Bruce Fenton: Your argument sounds to me like a religious one, in which case I am trying to have a reasonable scientific conversation with a religious zealot, which is absolute futile because religious thinking never requires a scientific basis and manipulates data as it suits. I think I am now understanding that you are promoting not so much a 'God Gametes Theory' as a 'God Gametes Religion' - I suppose I should have known the moment 'God' was brought into this conversation, it would likely not end well.

The above is just one of a litany of personal attacks on me in your post. I am reluctant to respond in kind – suffice is to say that it would be far better if you, when having your views challenged, would address the topic rather than attack the person.

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The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 4472 Bruce R. Fenton 01-Jun-17 11:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 993 Susan Doris 02-Jun-17 05:45
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 795 Bruce R. Fenton 02-Jun-17 06:56
Related threads on GHMB 860 drrayeye 02-Jun-17 17:06
Re: Related threads on GHMB 693 Bruce R. Fenton 03-Jun-17 10:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 736 laughin 05-Jun-17 21:06
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 713 Bruce R. Fenton 06-Jun-17 04:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 724 SallyA 07-Jun-17 02:28
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 611 Bruce R. Fenton 07-Jun-17 04:40
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 897 Thanos5150 06-Jun-17 14:29
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 740 SallyA 07-Jun-17 02:55
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 683 Bruce R. Fenton 07-Jun-17 05:47
... 724 SallyA 08-Jun-17 04:00
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution ..-_-.. question one 638 Bruce R. Fenton 08-Jun-17 04:37
... 722 SallyA 08-Jun-17 06:51
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 618 Thanos5150 07-Jun-17 16:15
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 752 Thanos5150 07-Jun-17 19:38
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 719 Bruce R. Fenton 08-Jun-17 03:20
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 600 Bruce R. Fenton 07-Jun-17 05:33
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 882 Thanos5150 07-Jun-17 16:08
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 655 SallyA 08-Jun-17 05:17
... 727 SallyA 08-Jun-17 06:06
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 701 Bruce R. Fenton 09-Jun-17 02:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution -- thank you 658 SallyA 09-Jun-17 03:47
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 789 Thanos5150 11-Jun-17 16:13
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 591 Bruce R. Fenton 12-Jun-17 09:26
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 626 Bruce R. Fenton 09-Jun-17 02:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 710 Thanos5150 09-Jun-17 23:54
OOA strikes back - the sequel 755 laughin 08-Jun-17 13:09
Re: OOA strikes back - the sequel 651 Bruce R. Fenton 08-Jun-17 15:37
Re: OOA strikes back - the sequel 655 Thanos5150 08-Jun-17 17:23
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 637 Robert Jameson 11-Jun-17 06:13
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 634 Bruce R. Fenton 11-Jun-17 11:46
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 788 Robert Jameson 12-Jun-17 05:34
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 646 dong 12-Jun-17 06:51
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 703 Robert Jameson 12-Jun-17 13:32
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 714 Bruce R. Fenton 12-Jun-17 09:19
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 614 Robert Jameson 12-Jun-17 12:40
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 684 Susan Doris 14-Jun-17 05:02
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 688 Robert Jameson 14-Jun-17 05:45
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 710 michael seabrook 13-Jun-17 22:09
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 709 Robert Jameson 13-Jun-17 00:51
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 618 SallyA 13-Jun-17 01:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 598 Robert Jameson 13-Jun-17 02:44
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution. -- off topic .. senmutt tomb. .. Giza hosts an inland sea 780 SallyA 13-Jun-17 02:59
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution. -- off topic .. senmutt tomb 579 Robert Jameson 13-Jun-17 03:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution. -- off topic .. senmutt tomb 641 SallyA 13-Jun-17 04:04
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 698 Thanos5150 14-Jun-17 15:55
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 777 Robert Jameson 14-Jun-17 17:54
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 603 michael seabrook 16-Jun-17 21:03
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 619 Robert Jameson 16-Jun-17 22:47
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution Excellent and ... 688 SallyA 16-Jun-17 23:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution Excellent and ... 692 Robert Jameson 17-Jun-17 09:44
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 600 Susan Doris 17-Jun-17 14:17
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 661 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 02:43
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 613 Susan Doris 18-Jun-17 09:24
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 669 Bruce R. Fenton 18-Jun-17 11:04
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 667 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 11:14
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 581 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 11:04
Unfair diversion 510 drrayeye 18-Jun-17 21:35
Re: Proto-sumerian ... Ukraine ... a bit late for into Africa I fear, probably mis-posted 770 SallyA 19-Jun-17 03:00
Re: Unfair diversion 710 Susan Doris 19-Jun-17 05:20
Unfair diversion for sure 598 drrayeye 19-Jun-17 05:47
Re: Unfair diversion for sure 656 Susan Doris 20-Jun-17 04:56
Robert's challenge 689 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 07:24
Re: Robert's challenge 592 Robert Jameson 26-Jun-17 11:17
Tangential 584 drrayeye 27-Jun-17 05:03
Re: Tangential 597 Robert Jameson 27-Jun-17 06:12
Wrong board 614 drrayeye 27-Jun-17 06:38
Re: Wrong board 570 Robert Jameson 27-Jun-17 08:03
Re: Tangential 604 Eddie Larry 27-Jun-17 15:59
Re:Susan, do you know of a time line? 616 SallyA 19-Jun-17 17:48
Re: Unfair diversion 676 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:44
Re: Unfair diversion 590 drrayeye 19-Jun-17 15:40
Re: Unfair diversion 700 Robert Jameson 19-Jun-17 23:14
Re: Unfair diversion 601 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 00:31
Re: Unfair diversion 671 Robert Jameson 20-Jun-17 10:19
kicking a dead horse 615 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 14:36
Re: kicking a dead horse 519 Robert Jameson 20-Jun-17 23:49
Staying on topic 597 drrayeye 21-Jun-17 01:15
Re: Unfair diversion 608 Thanos5150 20-Jun-17 15:24
Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 535 SallyA 20-Jun-17 15:59
Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 507 Bruce R. Fenton 26-Jun-17 10:21
Interesting 584 drrayeye 27-Jun-17 06:50
Re: Interesting 472 Bruce R. Fenton 27-Jun-17 22:32
Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 479 Eddie Larry 28-Jun-17 04:37
Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 814 Bruce R. Fenton 28-Jun-17 04:41
Re: Unfair diversion 555 drrayeye 20-Jun-17 15:59
Off Topic: re: factors which alter .. Earth's shields don't block cygnets ... nor neutrinos, ... 526 SallyA 20-Jun-17 21:13
Re: Unfair diversion 505 SallyA 21-Jun-17 01:37
Focus 604 drrayeye 21-Jun-17 07:30
Re: Focus 666 Bruce R. Fenton 26-Jun-17 10:26
Re: Focus 580 Susan Doris 26-Jun-17 16:51
Re: Focus... ah, my bad ... 484 SallyA 11-Feb-18 19:40
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 671 Bruce R. Fenton 17-Jun-17 12:12
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 609 Robert Jameson 26-Jun-17 06:32
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 586 Bruce R. Fenton 26-Jun-17 11:57
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 732 Robert Jameson 26-Jun-17 13:59
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 420 lalbee 16-Feb-18 13:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 401 lalbee 17-Feb-18 02:25
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 419 Bruce R. Fenton 17-Feb-18 04:13
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 398 lalbee 17-Feb-18 05:56
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 421 Bruce R. Fenton 17-Feb-18 06:27
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 548 lalbee 18-Feb-18 15:17
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 428 drrayeye 21-Feb-18 13:48
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 414 lalbee 22-Feb-18 16:45
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 407 Robert Jameson 22-Feb-18 19:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 774 Bruce R. Fenton 22-Feb-18 23:07
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 418 Bruce R. Fenton 22-Feb-18 23:00


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