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Bruce Fenton: There is an argument, as you have pointed out, that some kind of technologically advanced civilization arose before Homo sapiens, perhaps even before hominins. If it is true it really is not a hominin or Homo sapiens story, surely we have no basis to even suggest that any previous civilization, millions of years ago, would be in any way 'human'. If some of these claimed anomalous finds from millions of years ago do really check out (I am very sceptical of them but also remain open minded) then they are not really part of the chronology of hominins and Homo sapiens, are they?

I take the view that the existence of an earlier technologically advanced civilisation is indisputable. If this is the case then it turns the gradualist evolutionary process on its head. We cannot assume for example that the evolutionary process that turned ape into modern humans progressed independently of this advanced civilisation. And your suggestion that it is ‘not a hominin or Homo sapiens story’ is questionable.

The London Hammer that is estimated to be 400 million years old looks very much like a human artifact.

London hammer



The Unfinished Obelisk, Aswan, Egypt has obvious signs of machining. Mainstream historians claim it was commissioned by Hatshepsut (1508–1458 BC), possibly to complement the Lateran Obelisk originally at Karnak. Here we have a link between unexplained advanced technology and what is claimed to be the gradualist evolutionary progress of our human species.

Unfinished Obelisk - Aswan



Unfinished Obelisk - Aswan



Unfinished Obelisk - Aswan



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Bruce Fenton: I think that generally they do not see any reason to look at these finds, partly because they usually have not been found in a controlled setting, like an archaeological dig, which leaves room for claims or fraud.

I do not agree with this. Gobekli Tepe is an archaeological dig. As mentioned above there is the Unfinished Obelisk – Aswan and many examples of machining on the Giza Plateau.

Ancient machining on Giza Plateau



Ancient machining on Giza Plateau



Where is the fraud here?

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Bruce Fenton: I hold a very shamanic worldview, the understanding that planets are living beings is one that I personally hold. I am not sure about the vestigial organs, but then it is not my area of study, but beyond that consideration I do see all things as being imbued with consciousness.

Thanks for that. My claims - that human consciousness is the male reproductive cell (a gamete) of a creator being and that ancient sites (artefacts) are a type of earth vestigial genetic expression – are generally met with ridicule from academia. Good that you have an open mind.

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Bruce Fenton: I must say that I find it extraordinary that you are solid in your conviction that Earth is a living being with visible vestigial organs and that humans lived millions of years ago, even forming complex civilizations - but you find the idea that fully modern humans living in Australia in recent times could not possibly use boats? This is especially strange because even the mainstream academics credit the ancestors of Australian Aboriginals with ocean worthy craft 50,000 years ago. By all means research this for yourself, it is fully accepted that humans were able to sail between the Indonesian Islands at least 50,000 years ago. We also now see solid evidence for early humans sailing from mainland Asia to Flores over 1,000,000 years ago, these being the ancestors of Homo floresiensis (there are other relevant examples of early sailing that can be provided). Why then is it ridiculous to consider Australian Aboriginals migrating to other lands at some point in their long mysterious sojourn through prehistory?

A number of questions here:
First is that my position may appear contradictory. You point out for example, that I believe earth is a living entity with vestigial organs – but refuse to believe that early Australian Aboriginal people could build ocean going vessels 50,000 years ago. In response I would note, as I have previously pointed out, I claim it is not possible to explain our origins (our history or our evolution) in terms of a gradualist or linear progression. Maybe there was some form of intervention - or perhaps there is a type of biological Weismann Barrier that separates the physical earth we can comprehend from our creator’s germ-line that passes from generation to generation.

In regard to my claim that it was not possible for Australian Aboriginal people to have sailed to the Americas 40,000 years ago.
The following is a quote from my book; The Bali to Bairnsdale Alignment and Earth’s Reproductive Chakra, Part 2, God Gametes Q&A 16, Aboriginal eugenics, p218. (Note – the God Gametes Q&A is also in God Gametes 4 and the Darwinian Fallacy, Chapter 6.)

If a theory is based on a linear process of evolution, excluding the possibility of some form of external intervention, then surely it is difficult to believe that the Australian Aborigines were the first homo sapiens. There were no primate species on the Australian continent and no native pre-humans to evolve from. Thus we find it necessary to take issue with the claims made by Steven and Evan Strong that the:

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Australian Original people set sail from Australia, not to, 50,000 years ago. We (Steven and Evan Strong) claim that Australian Original people sailed to and settled in America over 40,000 years ago, and visited many other places including Egypt, Japan, Africa, India etc. They were the first Homo sapiens who evolved before the Sapiens of Africa, and who gave the world art, axes, religion, marine technology, culture, co-operative living, language and surgery. refer: Forgotten Origin – Our Theory

The God Gametes theory contends that no group of people can link their ancestry to the mysterious entities that once inhabited our planet - and now appear to have disappeared. We do not believe the people from countries that have ancient pyramids can boast a direct genetic link to the beings that constructed them. Nor do we believe the people living in the south of England can take credit for Stone Henge, the Cambodians for Angkor Wat, the Easter Islanders for the Moai etc. It seems there is a disconnect between earlier technologically advanced civilisations and a world that emerged into the dimensions of space and time we now inhabit.
We acknowledge the need for people of all ethnic groups to take pride in their history and culture. Yet our eagerness to celebrate the achievements of our ancestors should not cloud the truth. It is essential that we understand our origins and avoid, at all costs, a distorted view of our past.

The Bradshaws:
Our theory does not support the claim by Steven and Evan Strong that Australian Aborigines built ocean going vessels 50,000 years ago. Their assertion is based on a claim by Grahame Walsh who discovered ancient rock art images of ocean going vessels in the Australian Kimberly region. The late Grahame Walsh spent 30 years studying and photographing the Bradshaw rock paintings that can be found on 100,000 sites dispersed over a 50,000 sq km area in northern Australia. The Bradshaw paintings are quality art and have been dated to a minimum of 17,000 years – but are probably much older. Walsh was the undisputed expert on the Bradshaws but he became embroiled in controversy when he did not attribute their origins to the Australian Aborigines. The artistic style of the Bradshaws is fundamentally different from traditional Aboriginal art. So when the Aboriginal elders he consulted neither claimed their origin or could interpret their meaning Walsh concluded they were of unknown origin. (see below images of Bradshaw rock art)
The Bradshaw paintings of ocean going vessels were partly obscured by stone-flow overlay and did not produce quality photographic images. Walsh sketched images of them but due to the controversy they created, and maybe because of his concerns that they would be vandalised, did not reveal their location before he passed away in 2007.

The following images and caption is from:
Iconography in Bradshaw rock art: breaking the circularity, Jack Pettigrew FRS, School of Biomedical Sciences and Queensland Brain Institute, University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia

Bradshaw images of ancient boats




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Depictions of boats in Bradshaw rock art: (A) Small boat; the high prow might be ceremonial, or perhaps reflect use in open ocean. (B) A drawing by Grahame Walsh of a large boat depiction that was partly obscured by flow-stone overlay and did not photograph well. The posterior end of the depiction was sufficiently free of the overlay that horizontal striations could be discerned, possibly indicating a fibre construction (á la Heyerdahl). Twenty occupants can be counted in the boat, which has a high prow that suggests ocean-going capability.


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Bruce Fenton: You may not be aware that Kangaroo Island was not always an island at all, until the end of the last glacial maximum this was simply part of the mainland. The archaeology of Kangaroo Island makes it clear that humans were living there until as recently as 4000 - 2000 years ago. We do not know if these people died out or just sailed across to the mainland, as we have already established that the ancestors of Australian Aboriginals had been sailing for hundreds of thousands of years I am willing to bet that they simply sailed away from the island.

Continuing to quote from my book; The Bali to Bairnsdale Alignment and Earth’s Reproductive Chakra, Part 2, God Gametes Q&A 16, Aboriginal eugenics, p221.

Thus it appears the claim that Australian Aborigines built ocean going ships is based on rock paintings that are unseen and of unknown origin. We must also doubt the capability, or the desire, of the native Australians to navigate oceans when it seems they did not cross the 14 kms of water between the Australian mainland and Kangaroo Island in South Australia. Kangaroo Island (with an area of more than 4,400 sq km) was part of the Australian mainland before the last ice age but was separated from the Fleurieu Peninsula when the sea level rose some 10,000 years ago. There were Aboriginal people living on the island at the time of its separation from the mainland but they eventually died out. Archaeological evidence suggests Kangaroo Island remained unpopulated from the time the last of the Aborigines died (about 2,000 years ago) until British explorer Matthew Finders discovered it on 23rd March 1802.


There are many inconsistencies in the laws of nature that we hold to be true. This issue is sometimes difficult to comprehend for we know many natural laws that apply to our lives, the “here and now”, are infallible. If for example we were planning to meet a friend in a neighboring town we know there are certain physical and time parameters we must observe. We will plan the trip knowing that a given number of factors; means of transport, distance and anticipated time of arrival etc., must be observed. If we then plan our journey observing these parameters we can expect to arrive at the appointed destination at the scheduled time. And we do not expect to miraculously find ourselves at a given destination unless our trip has been planned and implemented. Yet the creation of our universe and the evolution of conscious life does not appear to comply to many of these rules we hold to be true. For example:

• If the universe is a closed system then it, and the complex life we know exists on at least one planet, is in violation of the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and logical entropy. In today’s world, and in this dimension of space and time, violation of the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and logical entropy, is held to be impossible.

• When the universe came into existence there should have been equal amounts of matter and antimatter created. We cannot however find the anti-matter that should have been created when all the matter came into existence.

• A quantum particle will react to human observation even when potentially the particle is light years away from the observer. Quantum physics would thus appear to be in violation of Newtonian physics.

• We can only observe and measure 4% of the universe – the remaining 96% is dark energy and dark matter.

• Only 2% of our genes code for building body parts. The God Gametes theory therefore claims the other 98% of our DNA codes for life in the hidden dimensions of space and time.

• There were advanced civilisations present on earth that appeared to have disappeared. (see God Gametes Q&A 17. Mysterious ancient buildings)

• We do not understand the source of life – or of human consciousness.

We remind the reader that migratory birds and fish navigate their way around the world for breeding. In this section we claim this miraculous gift of migratory birds and fish also applies to some members of our human species. The Polynesians for example have the ability to navigate the oceans without the aid of modern direction finding equipment. (refer Wade Davis - National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence) The Dogon people of Mali seem to have knowledge of astronomy that the modern day observer would say was impossible. Likewise some people can do maths but cannot show how they calculate the answers (i.e. Sir Ronald A Fisher). So why do we insist that the evolution of our species should comply with all the rules when so much of what we observe is in variance.
It is not of concern to the God Gametes theory whether the Australian Aborigines actually built boats and physically sailed from Australia to the Americas. Nor does it matter whether Africans, Egyptians and Americans came to Australia or Aborigines went there. And it matters little to our concept whether our species evolved 250,000 years ago or 1.3 million years ago. Our objective here is to establish the fact that a primitive and heavily culled race of people was an essential part of the biological, social and cultural development of our species.
We should not allow our thoughts to be confined to the manufactured version of history that is fed to us by mainstream academia. Instead let us see if the evolution of our species, as it relates to the Australian Aborigine, fits a breeding program that would complement the needs of a parent species - a parent species needing to colonise earth for the purpose of reproduction.




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Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 606 Bruce R. Fenton 09-Jun-17 02:03
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OOA strikes back - the sequel 737 laughin 08-Jun-17 13:09
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Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution. -- off topic .. senmutt tomb 563 Robert Jameson 13-Jun-17 03:39
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Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution Excellent and ... 673 SallyA 16-Jun-17 23:39
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution Excellent and ... 675 Robert Jameson 17-Jun-17 09:44
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 584 Susan Doris 17-Jun-17 14:17
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 647 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 02:43
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 596 Susan Doris 18-Jun-17 09:24
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Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 649 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 11:14
Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution 563 Robert Jameson 18-Jun-17 11:04
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Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 465 Eddie Larry 28-Jun-17 04:37
Re: Hominids vs Homo. most obvious difference -- thumbs on feet 793 Bruce R. Fenton 28-Jun-17 04:41
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Off Topic: re: factors which alter .. Earth's shields don't block cygnets ... nor neutrinos, ... 510 SallyA 20-Jun-17 21:13
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