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Hi Robert,

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I do not think it is possible to establish a chronology of our human evolution based on the fossil record. We have artefacts found in coal deposits laid down hundreds of millions of years ago, evidence of ancient machining that cannot be matched by modern day stone cutting equipment, archaeological sites that show evidence of complex human civilisation at a time when we were meant to be simple hunter gatherers and so called natural geological formations that do not appear natural.

I think that we can establish a chronology of hominins and the more recent Homo sapiens (and indeed we have), this requires use of not only the fossil record but also all manner of relevant archaeological finds and of course genetic studies. There is an argument, as you have pointed out, that some kind of technologically advanced civilization arose before Homo sapiens, perhaps even before hominins. If it is true it really is not a hominin or Homo sapiens story, surely we have no basis to even suggest that any previous civilization, millions of years ago, would be in any way 'human'. If some of these claimed anomalous finds from millions of years ago do really check out (I am very sceptical of them but also remain open minded) then they are not really part of the chronology of hominins and Homo sapiens, are they?

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I know academia will claim that all these (and many more) anomalies can be explained – but to me the anomalies are too numerous and too extraordinary to fit within the mainstream paradigm.

I think that generally they do not see any reason to look at these finds, partly because they usually have not been found in a controlled setting, like an archaeological dig, which leaves room for claims or fraud. There are certainly some finds that should make open minded people at the least remain open to possibility or some kind of advanced culture on this planet in distant prehistory, whether it was human, extinct Terran humanoids or ET.

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I believe we are living on a living planet that functions as all living systems must. It has a genetic code that needs to be transferred from generation to generation. And like our own genetic code it will have ancient gene sequences that from time to time will be expressed:

See my post ‘Vestigial organs and a living planet earth’

I hold a very shamanic worldview, the understanding that planets are living beings is one that I personally hold. I am not sure about the vestigial organs, but then it is not my area of study, but beyond that consideration I do see all things as being imbued with consciousness.

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Also – I note in your article you referred to the work of Steven and Evan Strong. I am an Australian and have met Steven and Evan on a number of occasions. I do not want to diminish the incredible achievements and culture of the Australian Aboriginal people but to suggest, as Steven and Evan do, that they built ships and migrated to the rest of the world is quite ridiculous.

I must say that I find it extraordinary that you are solid in your conviction that Earth is a living being with visible vestigial organs and that humans lived millions of years ago, even forming complex civilizations - but you find the idea that fully modern humans living in Australia in recent times could not possibly use boats? This is especially strange because even the mainstream academics credit the ancestors of Australian Aboriginals with ocean worthy craft 50,000 years ago. By all means research this for yourself, it is fully accepted that humans were able to sail between the Indonesian Islands at least 50,000 years ago. We also now see solid evidence for early humans sailing from mainland Asia to Flores over 1,000,000 years ago, these being the ancestors of Homo floresiensis (there are other relevant examples of early sailing that can be provided). Why then is it ridiculous to consider Australian Aboriginals migrating to other lands at some point in their long mysterious sojourn through prehistory?

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I am not aware of a native Australian primate from which they presumably evolved from – so where did they come from? Also, in South Australia we have Kangaroo Island that is only 13 klms from the Australian mainland that was human-less when Matthew Finders discovered it in 1802. So it is unlikely the Australian Aboriginals would have attempted to travel to the Americas if they were unable (or unwilling) to cross the strait between the Australian mainland and Kangaroo Island.

In my own work I do not claim that early hominins evolved from primates living in Australasia, there is currently no viable evidence upon which to make such a claim. It may be that evidence will one day emerge that could support that. My work is based on the known record, we know that early humans had managed to access the lands to the east of the Wallace Line earlier than one million years ago (the Flores archaeological sites). It is well accepted that any humans who can cross the Wallace Line should easily go on to access Australia, the challenge is only in successfully crossing the Wallace Line. With early humans reaching Australasia (Sahul) around 1,000,000 years ago there was sufficient time for these hominins to evolve further and become Homo sapiens.

You may not be aware that Kanagaroo Island was not always an island at all, until the end of the last glacial maximum this was simply part of the mainland. The archaeology of Kangaroo Island makes it clear that humans were living there until as recently as 4000 - 2000 years ago. We do not know if these people died out or just sailed across to the mainland, as we have already established that the ancestors of Australian Aboriginals had been sailing for hundreds of thousands of years I am willing to bet that they simply sailed away from the island.

As for Australian Aboriginals reaching the Americas, this is now fully established by solid archaeological evidence. I suggest that you look at the Lagoa Santa finds.

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Re: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution Excellent and ... 698 SallyA 16-Jun-17 23:39
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