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Don Carroll wrote:

> “That is why anybody who has the gift of tongues must pray for
> the power of interpreting them. For if I use this gift in my
> prayers, my spirit may be praying but my mind is left barren.
> What is the answer to that? Surely I should pray not only with
> the spirit but with the mind as well? And sing praises not only
> with the spirit but with the mind as well? Any uninitiated
> person will never be able to say Amen to your thanksgiving, if
> you only bless God with the spirit, for he will have no idea
> what you are saying. However well you make your thanksgiving,
> the other gets no benefit from it.” (I Corinthians 14:13-18)
> our physical bodies fail, our spirit continues.

> Think of religion and science as two explorers who have landed
> unbeknownst to each other at opposite poles of a planet, trying
> to get to the center. Each traveler has only a basic compass
> and a radio to communicate with. Each thinks the other is
> somewhere out of sight, yet in the same hemisphere. Radioing to
> each other to meet at the center, one tells the other he must
> go south, while his compatriot advises that it is north that
> will lead them to where they want to go. Neither one is
> grasping the other’s viewpoint that each one, from his
> perspective, is correct. If they will both follow their own
> compasses, they will meet in the center.
>
> The irony of both science and religious searches is that they
> regularly focus on external surface phenomenon. There is a
> degree as well as a need and purpose for this, but it is not
> the conclusion. Whether it is Newtonian physics that works on
> the surface versus quantum physics that works in the essence or
> dogma versus spirituality, the final leg of the journey is
> within. In both schools history has shown their
> paradigm-shifting illuminations have invariably been through an
> inward intuitive experience.
>
> I think this idea was expressed by the stories for the search
> for the “Holy Grail”. As the knights dashed and broke
> themselves on the external world, finding of the grail was an
> inward journey. Curiously, the Cistercian monks are believed
> to be the authors of the Grail sagas. Their famous leader was
> St. Bernard, probably better known for his involvement with the
> Knights Templar, but also a close friend of St. Malachi of
> Ireland (St. Malachi is actually buried in Clairvaux, France at
> a Cistercian Abbey. St Malachi is probably better known for
> his Papal prophecies.
> Further, meditation, which is generally considered an Eastern
> practice, was practiced by the Cistercians, called Lectio
> Divina, and St. Bernard traced it back to an early church
> father, Origen. To 20th Century Cistercian monk, Thomas
> Keating and Thomas Merton, have some very food writings on
> this.
>
> The only “Siege Perilous” is to our egos.

40,000 years of observation/ logic (religion) meets observation/ experiment (science) after going through the meet grinder called the Tower of Babel.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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