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Don Carroll wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> Well, Brian it seems that your question has been answered as
> well as it can;

Hi Don, apparently so. I tried a search this morning with using Dossey's name and got many version of the same quote you had used in the previous post but nothing concrete on the experiment he is referring to. If anything comes up I would be fascinated to read more on this experiment. At any rate, thank you for your eloquent response to my question!


Bell’s theorem, entanglement, “spooky action at
> a distance”. LOL, Einstein did not like the implications.
> Quantum physics is one of those “paradigm shifts” that is still
> in transition. I liked a quote from Nobel Laureate Physicist
> Richard Feynman: “Anyone who says they understand quantum
> physics is lying.” It certainly is a deep rabbit hole.


It is indeed.

> I would also suggest reading some works by Pribham and Bohm. A
> decent overview of their work can be found in the “Holographic
> Universe” by Michael Talbot. In particular David Bohm ,
> Physicist and prodigy of Einstein. I would also suggest his
> “layman” books (sigh, I am a poor layman than, since, as
> someone else mention about headaches, it was slow going for
> me.), “The Essential David Bohm” and “Wholeness and the
> Implicate Order.” They really address the discussion here on
> Consciousness and what is labeled “Universal Consciousness.”
> That everything has consciousness and is connected in One, it
> is incredible reading, harken to “tat tvam asi”.


Thanks for the ideas for reference material. I have done some reading on the Holographic Universe, idea and find it really interesting from a theoretical perspective. I am familiar with Bohm also but I will try to find, "The Essential DB," to refresh my memory and hopefully expand my knowledge - without inducing severe headaches if I can help it. I am also interested in finding out more about Schrodinger's views on the subject so I will try to add that to my reading list as well.

> As for that other headache producing thought posted; “how aware
> is each single cell of its own place in a Universe of billions
> and billions of cells on the scale of an organism?” I have put
> below an abridged article I wrote for the Edgar Cayce website
> blog and also put on my own, that tries to grasp that concept.
> I hope it is of some help, it was for me.
>
> How We Can Be Individual yet Part of a Greater Whole
>
> The concept of remaining a unique individual and also part of
> the whole of creation is a concept that is difficult to
> understand and express. Many masters have pondered and
> meditated, seeking to truly understand its meaning and
> implications. Looking upon a sea of Oneness it is not difficult
> for a part of us to feel that we could be lost in the vastness;
> lost to ourselves and lost to others. How can we know that is
> not the case?
>
> It is through knowledge and living in same that we then turn
> this knowledge into wisdom that we begin to remember our
> heritage and who we are. That the statements of being One, yet
> individual began to resonate as an unshakeable inner truth.
> Where can such knowledge be found? Many places.
> One such example and analogy in nature give us an answer of
> Oneness and individuality in the hydrologic cycle of water.
> Water is an amazing and unique substance that makes life
> possible. It is the only substance on earth that exists
> naturally in three phases; as a solid (ice), as a liquid
> (water), and as a gas (water vapor).

?

It is considered a
> universal solvent that permeates and affects everything. These
> three phases are analogous to our existence as body, mind, and
> spirit and the Oneness these share.
>
> The hydrologic cycle of water is the name given to the process
> as water goes through its phases in nature. Water in its liquid
> form is turned into water vapor—its gas form—by the heat of the
> sun. As it is drawn into the sky, it begins to collect and
> condense into clouds. In these clouds, ice crystals and
> snowflakes—water's solid form—are created. When precipitation
> occurs, the water returns to Earth, depending on the season and
> locale, as snowflakes or raindrops.
>
> When we see a single molecule of water or a single snowflake,
> we see its individuality. When we look at an ocean, it appears
> as a homogeneous body of water. Individuality appears to be
> lost, since we cannot differentiate one drop of water from
> another. This is where the concept of knowing oneself becomes
> important.
>
> Imagine yourself as one molecule, a drop of water; by yourself
> you can easily recognize yourself. Then picture yourself high
> in the heavens, yet slowing your vibrations down to a freezing
> level. You become a snowflake, easily recognizable and unique,
> known to be unlike any other snowflake in the world. Even in a
> field of snow, the snow can be examined down to each
> individual, one-of-a-kind snowflake, and identified. Your
> individuality is visibly intact.
> Now with that image in mind, picture the heat of the sun
> raising your vibrations until, as the snowflake, you melt and
> flow into a great ocean of Oneness. The sun continues to raise
> your vibrations and you spread out into an even greater expanse
> of Oneness as a gaseous water vapor. Have you lost your sense
> of individuality? No, you have only moved through phases. Your
> individual consciousness is still intact. Just, because a
> limited three-dimensional material viewpoint does not see it
> does not mean it is not there. Your unique snowflake
> individuality is still there, only your phase has changed. If
> you slow your vibrations down to freezing again, your
> uniqueness is visible in material manifestation.
>
> God always gives us a way to know Him, to be His friend and
> co-creator. Sometimes this knowledge surrounds us so completely
> that we can miss seeing it. Nature's water cycle is one such an
> example, but once recognized it can help in understanding how
> we can become One with the Creative Forces yet know ourselves
> to be ourselves at the same time. For me, it is also helpful in
> understanding the cycle of reincarnation, of being in Spirit
> and returning to Earth time and time again, always with the
> opportunity to return to Spirit.
>
> Blessings, don

Some stirring and uplifting thoughts here, Don. Thank you for sharing it. Some of the more God-centric ideas may be lost on me as I seem to have been created a little spiritually stunted from birth - but I do appreciate ideas expressed.

Best,
Brian



Post Edited (21-Nov-13 19:17)

"with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back"

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