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Cleopatra wrote:
>
> Just a little observation Lobo...
>
> This is the second long email complete with photos, reseach
> on ranch locations and links trying to make a case for what
> was experienced by WideEyes and her boyfriend, was not what
> they came away thinking afterall, but was indeed a wayward
> highland cow who thought they had food. Do you feel better
> now? Are you thoroughly convinced it was a cow now? ...lol

Not convinced either way or feel one way or another.
She told us her experience and I gave her information about a more plausible scenario. People usually take their first experience with something unknown out of context to the reality of it. Search on here fro the post about "helene's ants". They were supposed to be really big ants that attacked horses and dug up gold. The people telling about them had never seen them before, come to find out it was a miscommunication over the term used for it in another language and the beast in question was a marmot, I believe.
I posted to get her clarification over the obvious suspects and eliminate them. It wouldn't be any different if someone camped out in the Everglades and swore one night a hairy demon followed them while floating in the treetops and watched them, just to find out that it was some monkeys abandoned there by someone. If these people didn't know these monkeys were there then they would misinterpret what they saw.

> Awww, I'm just teasing you a little...but it is kinda funny
> you'd get so involved with this if you are sure the account
> is silly and rediculous to begin with. I mean, who cares?

When did I say it was silly and ridiculous? I never said I didn't believe her or didn't care. Pretty obvious I care about it somehow if paying much attention to it. I have had worse encounters in my past so not about to dismiss anyone! :-) When a newborn, 2 parents, and a wolf reacts to ghost then I have to believe something was there because no one has proven to me that an animal can have a "mass hallucination" with humans.


> Nobody knows what it was and to debate it seems pointless.

Why pointless to try and figure out what it was?

> WideEyed related what she saw and experienced. How can we
> take a position of judging the case?

Whos' judging? Describing a plausible scenario that would cover the experience as she has described it and seeing if it "gins" for her or not, to see if there were possible other factors to the situation.

>And you forget that direct
> experience, seeing it live, and all the sensory input that
> imparts on a person, is not available to us...only them. So
> how on earth can anyone make a case for the "cow theory"
> ...lol It's all pretty humorous when you think about it! (I'm
> praying you have a healthy ego and a good sense of humor.)

Sorry you are wrong about that but know it too well. Also know that a shock/fright will make all kinds of chemistry to start flowing in the body and can cause distorted input.
Heck if she said they had done peyote or something prior to this I would put it up to visions and congratulated her on success, but she didn't so I was simply trying to eliminate the most obvious scenario.
My ex-brother-in-law has an older sister that did major drugs and started a screaming campaign in bed one night, swearing that a panther had been on her bed and was talking to her while strattling her body. She said when she finally screamed and the dad and brother got to the door it bolted out the open window. LOL! This was a darn smooth cat burglar because it got in and out thru a screen nailed down. They thought she had finally lost it until she went into the bathroom and came back with baby powder and sprinkled it on the floor and up popped pug marks! Explain that one with reality! lol

Ego will get you into trouble if allowed to grow bigger than your grasp and a good sense of humour helps to keep it in control, for if ya can't laugh at yourself then the person is in a bad way. And being as I have been accused of being not right in the head sometimes.... ;-)

> ...I can tell you this...I doubt if anything you have pointed
> out has changed what WideEyes thinks she experienced with her
> boyfriend. ...but I could be wrong!
>

Doubtful you are wrong Cleo but have gotten more info about it and have eliminated possibles which was my intention from the start!

Regards,
Lobo-hotei
lobo

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A Beast on the Beach 607 WideEyed 11-Feb-04 00:16
Re: A Beast on the Beach 209 David L 11-Feb-04 00:40
Re: A Beast on the Beach 198 Briffits 11-Feb-04 02:00
Re: A Beast on the Beach 183 WideEyed 11-Feb-04 07:10
Re: A Beast on the Beach 206 Briffits 11-Feb-04 08:11
Re: A Beast on the Beach 171 Dean R 11-Feb-04 15:20
Re: A Beast on the Beach 202 Thirdpalissy 11-Feb-04 16:15
Re: A Beast on the Beach 220 Milo 11-Feb-04 16:34
Re: A Beast on the Beach 184 ArmchairObserver 11-Feb-04 17:10
Re: A Beast on the Beach 199 Milo 11-Feb-04 17:15
Re: A Beast on the Beach 201 Zosimos 11-Feb-04 20:09
Re: A Beast on the Beach 149 Milo 11-Feb-04 23:14
Re: A Beast on the Beach 195 Thirdpalissy 11-Feb-04 22:49
Re: A Beast on the Beach 204 WideEyed 11-Feb-04 18:27
Re: A Beast on the Beach 201 Dean R 11-Feb-04 20:21
Re: A Beast on the Beach 199 WideEyed 11-Feb-04 21:00
Re: A Beast on the Beach 207 Dean R 11-Feb-04 21:26
Re: A Beast on the Beach 201 WideEyed 11-Feb-04 21:35
Re: A Beast on the Beach 205 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 01:34
Re: A Beast on the Beach 193 WideEyed 12-Feb-04 01:53
Re: A Beast on the Beach 204 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 08:21
Re: A Beast on the Beach 198 ArmchairObserver 12-Feb-04 09:53
Re: A Beast on the Beach 298 Cleopatra 12-Feb-04 10:10
Re: A Beast on the Beach 200 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 16:33
Re: A Beast on the Beach 192 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 16:13
Re: A Beast on the Beach 206 ArmchairObserver 12-Feb-04 17:38
Re: A Beast on the Beach 205 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Astral projected skinwalkers 294 ArmchairObserver 12-Feb-04 23:37
Re: Astral projected skinwalkers 229 lobo-hotei 13-Feb-04 00:10
Re: Astral projected skinwalkers 231 WideEyed 13-Feb-04 00:11
Re: Astral projected skinwalkers 226 Cleopatra 13-Feb-04 09:34
whoops...meant to say..."in your home" not "in their home" n/t. 230 Cleopatra 13-Feb-04 09:35
Re: Astral projected skinwalkers 264 ArmchairObserver 13-Feb-04 17:16
Re: Astral projected skinwalkers 240 ArmchairObserver 13-Feb-04 17:02
For Lobo... 299 Cleopatra 12-Feb-04 19:22
For Cleo! lol 213 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 22:46
Beach Watch? 200 Thirdwave 11-Feb-04 17:13
Re: Beach Watch? 167 WideEyed 11-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Beach Watch? 199 ArmchairObserver 12-Feb-04 09:27
Re: A Beast on the Beach 227 gene douglas 12-Feb-04 09:18
Lynn Andrews and shape-shifting 264 Cleopatra 12-Feb-04 10:24
Re: Lynn Andrews and shape-shifting 210 ArmchairObserver 12-Feb-04 17:20
Re: Lynn Andrews and shape-shifting 248 Cleopatra 12-Feb-04 18:03
Re: Lynn Andrews and shape-shifting 211 ArmchairObserver 12-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Lynn Andrews and shape-shifting 210 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 18:36
Re: Lynn Andrews and shape-shifting 294 Cleopatra 12-Feb-04 18:47
Re: Lynn Andrews and shape-shifting 195 catrowan 13-Feb-04 09:06
beast/skinwalker/shapeshifter in Brazil 415 Cleopatra 12-Feb-04 18:18
Re: A Beast on the Beach 194 WideEyed 12-Feb-04 20:11
Re: A Beast on the Beach 186 WideEyed 12-Feb-04 20:32
Re: A Beast on the Beach 207 ArmchairObserver 12-Feb-04 22:41
Re: A Beast on the Beach 184 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-04 23:03
Re: A Beast on the Beach 187 WideEyed 12-Feb-04 22:51
Re: A Beast on the Beach 219 waterstone 13-Feb-04 10:22
Re: A Beast on the Beach 185 WideEyed 13-Feb-04 18:18
Re: A Beast on the Beach 203 ArmchairObserver 14-Feb-04 07:04
Re: A Beast on the Beach 176 Thirdpalissy 14-Feb-04 01:13
Re: A Beast on the Beach 201 ArmchairObserver 14-Feb-04 06:57
disappearing... 347 Cleopatra 14-Feb-04 10:35


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