> IXOYE Wrote:
> > How long has the Southern Cross been in the
> > location relative accurate for navigation since
> > the 1200's with stars circling around it while
> > earth is spinning/traveling at enormous speeds
> > around the sun?
> > Please explain the enormous contradiction.
> I see Carol was confused by your request (This is
> unusal for her as she knows lots about astronomy)
> so after working out what you meant myself
> eventually , I thought I would offer you an
> Firstly, it doesn't much bother me if you must
> find comfort in your religion. However it is most
> distressing that you are one of many being
> deceived by this flat earth nonsense and in the
> process or as a consequence have to throw out much
> of the knowledge it has taken thousands of years
> for humans to learn.
> I fear behind it all is a very sinister plot.
> I do not mean you have to believe everything you
> are told (I know lots doubt governments and NASA
> blah blah etc) but surely given at least you can
> spell ought be able to learn some mathematics and
> new concepts?
> Now to the Southern Cross and your question.
> Might I remind you that unless you have been to
> the Southern Hemisphere of the globe (spherical
> world!) below 27deg South then you have never
> actually seen the Southern Cross asterism! You
> should have if the planet was flat and all stars
> rotated around the North pole (as you claim)!
> Think! No think harder than that! Why
> haven't you seen it? Reply please.
> Why do the stars seen from Sthn Hemisphere eg
> Australia rotate the opposite way? Do you not
> believe me? Reply please.
> In your OP (first thread starting post) you
> I assume a typo you meant "same locations"Quote
> My house is situated equally north, south, east
> and west,all the stars just rotate in a circle
> around the north star. In the 10 years of
> observing the stars, they are in exactly the
> sample(sic) locations as 10 years ago. I
> would appreciate comments on my findings
> Now sorry, I find it very hard to believe you have
> spent any considerable time observing the stars
> with any seriousness. This "baring false witness"
> ie telling porkies (lying) is nasty thing (thou
> shalt not) for a devoted friend of Jesus holy
> roller to do, isn't it?
> It must be warming up in BC Canada enough for you
> to venture out one evening this week, to go
> outside on a relatively clear night at intervals
> of say hourly for say 4hours and watch the stars
> rotate above you. Take note/drawing of positions
> (favourite few constellations only).
> Then in 3 months time do the same and you will see
> the stars are not in the same positions. The
> relative positions/distances apart of the visible
> ones will be consistent but in another part of the
> This is because of the spherical nature of the
> planet Earth and the tilt of axis moving around
> the Sun from your Spring (near equinox) into
> Summer (near solstice)
> This brings us back to the blurb you asked Carol.
> Yes the Earth is moving at high speed around the
> Sun. However the entire trip is miniscule distance
> relative to the distance of the visible stars.
> Refer back to the astro picture (from telescope) I
> posted for you to show you what the Southern Cross
> looks like! Now with the naked eye I can tell you
> one cannot even see a fraction of those stars even
> on a very clear night, far away from light
> pollution. All visible stars are close to us in
> our arm of the galaxy.
> The main brightest two stars of the
> rn-cross/]Southern Cross[/url] asterism are over
> 300 light years away from our solar system
> (actually 321 and 345 light years) read the link
> provided! Please.
> The distance from Earth to Sun is approx.
> 93million miles call 1 astronomical unit(AU)
> There are 63,000 AU [u]in just one[/u] light year
> 321 light years is over 20million AU (or 20
> million times 93million miles!!!).
> They are so far away their movement in the galaxy
> are undetectable and seeming nothing to us
> That is why they do not seem to move relative to
> each other but you will see on your big night out
> star gazing, they move rather fast to us seemingly
> all together, because the earth spins fast
> relative to our frame of reference on spherical
> planet Earth.
> But wait there is more. You are already thinking I
> do not believe this crap how does he or "they"
> know that? or My Pastor/Minister/Priest says
> What you need to get your head around and study
> till you understand it is what is called
> If you repeat your star gazing exercise in 6
> months time your Autumn (Fall?) the Earth will
> have travelled half way in it circuit around the
> Sun Parallax is where we measure the angle from
> Earth to a star (say one of the Southern Cross
> ones ) at six month intervals compare the very
> slight angle and do basic trigonometry to work out
> how far away they are. This is especially very
> easy to do for the planets and along with other
> methods is why we absolutely, positively, for
> certain, know the Sun is not 32miles wide and only
> 3000 miles above Earth.
> But wait there is even more. Having been utterly
> distressed about anyone believing this Flat Earth
> rubbish I watched some of the vids you posted to
> try work out how anyone, even if far below average
> IQ, could fall for it/scam.
> The next thing you are likely asking is doesn't
> the Sun zoom around the galaxy at super speed?
> Yes it does but all visible stars are in our
> branch of the galaxy and a zooming around at
> similar speed .
> It is like you sitting in a car at 100miles per
> hour and a mosquito is on your nose and it takes
> off towards the window it is not initially flying
> at 100mph relative to you but will get a shock if
> it hits the wind outside the car!
> Seriously man for your own good (and society in
> total and for the love of GOD) study and consider
> this carefully.
> For all others. yes I know am likely wasting my
> time but far too many are falling for this rubbish
> not to care and try and help. If not Gordon then
> someone else possibly?
Thanks for that long and detailed post, which you obviously took some time and effort to write up. Sadly, though, I think it will fall on the deaf ears of him who needs to hear it most.
However, as you say, some fence-sitters will hopefully profit from it. Thanks, again.