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Hi Altered-State

. . . What stands out as something of an obfuscated part in LtCol Corso's account are the "filing cabinets and Nut-file" he, General Trudeau, and Senator Strom Thurmond often referred to during their time. . . One must understand something of what maintaining secrets entailed in intelligence circles then and how they're carried over into to today's policies and procedures. . .

Sources and methods of intelligence gathering are not discussed nor are they to be found throughout this thread on purpose or in LtCol Corso's, The Day after Roswell. . . The intelligence agencies actively securing secrets of the US are known for their story telling where the gist of maintaining secrecy is concerned and that strategy continues in play today on purpose – They make no apologies for sounding strange, idiotic, or even as if lying or incomplete since the need-to-know is usually up front with any written or verbal correspondence which is a given. . .


Need-to-know is a paramount requirement with information flow and material handling pertaining to research and development. That hasn't changed despite several significant data breaches over the last decade. Compartmentalization of information and material handling remains very effective despite where there have been breaches as any one data part lost to common knowledge does not necessarily bring down or expose the rest of the secrets that are related or attached. It's meant to frustrate the most avid of investigators and irritate the doubters to where such pursuits are eventually given up or postponed indefinitely to say little about how tiresome and resource demanding investigation often is already. Consider that ones' adversaries can be very crafty in how they steal data or classified information when it is not meant for them in the first place. . .

In such instances it becomes little more than what I call a word-wrestling-match using the usual – The lengthy, the linear, and imprecise language conundrum, as I call it. . . At best, one continues with a great debate sometimes unknowingly embellishing parts of the narrative to suit purposes of print and publication in an effort to explain, thinking one is helpful in doing so. . . Silence is best. . . Not everything written can sound like an encrypted Ian Fleming novel and still be entertaining by design. . .

In some ways, the "Nut-file," X-Files, circular files, have a similar meaning in that they refer to a means of depositing and / or disposing of information. This methodology is not anything new. . .

You're right though, LtCol Corso did not tell all and was probably still under strict measures of secrecy as well as knew better than to do so. Many players in the world are not trustworthy any more than the world a safe place. I suspect only he still knew the details he kept quiet about. He knew of the difficult time one could have firsthand with various agencies. It was part of the post war mentality then given the destructiveness of new weapons. If one were to look at this information flow business from a different point of view such as from a prosecutorial point of view, for instance – What one says can be and will be used against the sayer of said words (classified information or data). If sworn under an oath of secrecy one is bound under the terms and laws that that oath of secrecy is enforced. In a way, that's an additional means of obfuscating narrative or as you suggest, not publishing unadulterated truth.

Grant Cameron has had some time to construct his fast talking narratives. Whether it satisfies him having embellished some of what he portrays as believable as several folks casually assert, is another matter. I wouldn't know. . . Grant brings up several important issues to consider, though, as do Nick Pope, Stan Freidman and others during the years of their investigative efforts. One is constantly subject to rebuttals and threats when data cannot be supplied in support of what that person tells as being the truth as they know it and without deliberately trying to mislead – their truth, in other words. Words often do not do many topics justice as the terms available do not quite describe what is witnessed and experienced or what is still sensitive, but can be undermining to others charged with still keeping secrets. . .

You mention "believe," yet for those who know certain things firsthand they do not have the cumbersome and frustrating mental overhead of believing, disbelieving or doubting as they know without those three mental irritants and obstacles.

You mentioned some doubt about LtCol Corso's promotion to Col – I suspect that that nomenclature of Col is similar to Sergeant or Commander or Admiral or Airman or Private or Seaman or Petty Officer, for instance, as in each of these there are multiple levels in each and the shortened term is often used. Whether that is grounds for mistrusting the individual I wouldn't know. I don't have access to Army personnel files nor do I have the need to have access, either, to official records where some aspects of them were classified or could be checked on a whim. . .

Doubting some of what was published in Corso's book is not anything new as there are obvious measures taken toward maintaining secrecy given that he was an intelligence officer during some difficult periods of US history just as LtCol Jesse Marcel Sr maintained as long as he did. A historical perspective helps to understand why there was a cover-up perpetrated in the first place. . . Take dogma and doctrine practiced in general across time and across the globe that some folks call flat or how the universe once put all celestial bodies revolving around planet earth. Finding out differently did not go over very well then – People were tortured, burnt alive, or exiled when their views put forth. Cultures today may seem more sophisticated, but are just as lethal and nasty, as ever, when it comes to the status quo being upset or threatens to undermine levels of control . . .Again, not anything new. . .

In any case, because compartmentalization of need-to-know information is so broad and currently practiced one is likely to get regularly frustrated with internal belief mechanisms one has adopted. . . It's one of the reasons why there's such a push toward confirmation and disclosure measures. . . Language confirmation and disclosure is limited no matter who has the megaphone to speak let alone in what capacity and authority of representation they assume. . . Curiosity is not always enough to gain secret access or for it to be given easily. . .

One of the angles of investigative pursuits into this phenomenon that is often eluded is what do the other beings do or think or react and why don't they land on one's front lawn – say hello in one's native language – allow a cell-phone video taken to be posted – or something similar to resolve this doubting uncertainty for the vast majority of folks that surrounds this unusual business of their existence and presence?. . At any rate, it does not seem over by a long margin. . .

I maintain, like many others, Knowledge is power – Power to overcome ignorance. . . Overcoming ignorance responsibly is easier said than done – to each their own gifts. . .

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 3931 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 412 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 532 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 486 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 444 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 392 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 392 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 351 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 362 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 366 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 328 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 327 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 368 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 320 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 331 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 259 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 296 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 425 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 447 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 327 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 327 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 348 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 345 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 333 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 341 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 449 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 430 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 358 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 314 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 312 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 315 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 366 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 392 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 302 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 301 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 308 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 335 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 339 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 243 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 312 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 395 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 300 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 318 Archaic 18-Dec-17 04:07
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 304 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 360 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 308 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 368 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 377 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 353 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 362 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 362 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:35
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 337 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:38
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 276 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 44 Archaic 25-Jun-19 10:01
2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 308 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:41
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 288 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:50
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 289 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:58
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 275 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 290 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 279 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 279 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 288 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 238 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 254 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 237 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 280 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 362 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 306 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 363 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 313 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 313 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 374 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 276 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 290 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:12
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 280 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 286 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 294 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 350 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 228 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 239 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 274 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 372 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 355 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 357 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 381 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 310 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 368 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 389 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 305 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 293 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 290 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 338 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 303 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 318 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 329 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 278 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:13
Could this be it? 315 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
Re: Could this be it? 270 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:18
And the one I could/did find... 321 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
Re: This today 333 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:23
Re: This today 307 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:25
Re: This today 265 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:23
Re: This today 293 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 01:27
Re: This today 301 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: This today 277 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:39
Re: This today 324 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:52
Re: This today 278 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 271 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 283 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 318 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 287 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 286 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 277 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 278 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 281 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 278 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
Re: try to envision 351 Aine 21-Dec-17 17:47
Re: This today 281 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 419 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
Re: Other angles 305 Aine 21-Dec-17 15:09
Other angles; in progress and deployed 294 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
Re: Other angles; in progress and deployed 293 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:31
In progress and deployed 263 Reagent 22-Dec-17 00:30
Re: In progress and deployed 277 Aine 22-Dec-17 00:59
Re: This today 301 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 299 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 302 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 266 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 320 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 310 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 305 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 285 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 271 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
Are all these kids corrupted? 276 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:27
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 276 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:51
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 276 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 13:21
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 288 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 287 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 312 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 351 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 349 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 343 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 329 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 316 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
Re: disbelievers? 325 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:33
Re: disbelievers? 345 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 294 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 308 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
Re: You don't see the difference? 314 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-17 19:32
Re: You don't see the difference? 380 Poster Boy 23-Dec-17 20:04
Re: You don't see the difference? 365 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 428 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49
US Navy Finally Opening Up About Odd Aerial Phenomena 86 Race Jackson 27-May-19 20:00
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 66 Dr. Troglodyte 27-May-19 22:02
HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 68 Dr. Troglodyte 31-May-19 15:56
Re: HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 66 Race Jackson 31-May-19 18:27
US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 88 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:18
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 71 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 13:25
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 77 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:56
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 74 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 14:01
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 82 Lee McGiffen 03-Jun-19 02:16
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 74 Race Jackson 03-Jun-19 18:44
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 58 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:20
Mod Warning > Race Jackson 80 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:22
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 47 Archaic 25-Jun-19 14:02
Tucker Carlson May 31st 2019 83 Race Jackson 07-Jun-19 00:49
SlaiciffO SoroboruO LaiciffO 66 Dr. Troglodyte 24-Jun-19 17:58
Thoughts 51 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:15
Re: Thoughts 58 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Jun-19 17:00
Re: Thoughts 48 Archaic 26-Jun-19 11:28
Re: Thoughts 64 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-19 16:05
US Navy Encounters Recent 58 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:41


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