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Hi Altered-State

. . . What stands out as something of an obfuscated part in LtCol Corso's account are the "filing cabinets and Nut-file" he, General Trudeau, and Senator Strom Thurmond often referred to during their time. . . One must understand something of what maintaining secrets entailed in intelligence circles then and how they're carried over into to today's policies and procedures. . .

Sources and methods of intelligence gathering are not discussed nor are they to be found throughout this thread on purpose or in LtCol Corso's, The Day after Roswell. . . The intelligence agencies actively securing secrets of the US are known for their story telling where the gist of maintaining secrecy is concerned and that strategy continues in play today on purpose – They make no apologies for sounding strange, idiotic, or even as if lying or incomplete since the need-to-know is usually up front with any written or verbal correspondence which is a given. . .


Need-to-know is a paramount requirement with information flow and material handling pertaining to research and development. That hasn't changed despite several significant data breaches over the last decade. Compartmentalization of information and material handling remains very effective despite where there have been breaches as any one data part lost to common knowledge does not necessarily bring down or expose the rest of the secrets that are related or attached. It's meant to frustrate the most avid of investigators and irritate the doubters to where such pursuits are eventually given up or postponed indefinitely to say little about how tiresome and resource demanding investigation often is already. Consider that ones' adversaries can be very crafty in how they steal data or classified information when it is not meant for them in the first place. . .

In such instances it becomes little more than what I call a word-wrestling-match using the usual – The lengthy, the linear, and imprecise language conundrum, as I call it. . . At best, one continues with a great debate sometimes unknowingly embellishing parts of the narrative to suit purposes of print and publication in an effort to explain, thinking one is helpful in doing so. . . Silence is best. . . Not everything written can sound like an encrypted Ian Fleming novel and still be entertaining by design. . .

In some ways, the "Nut-file," X-Files, circular files, have a similar meaning in that they refer to a means of depositing and / or disposing of information. This methodology is not anything new. . .

You're right though, LtCol Corso did not tell all and was probably still under strict measures of secrecy as well as knew better than to do so. Many players in the world are not trustworthy any more than the world a safe place. I suspect only he still knew the details he kept quiet about. He knew of the difficult time one could have firsthand with various agencies. It was part of the post war mentality then given the destructiveness of new weapons. If one were to look at this information flow business from a different point of view such as from a prosecutorial point of view, for instance – What one says can be and will be used against the sayer of said words (classified information or data). If sworn under an oath of secrecy one is bound under the terms and laws that that oath of secrecy is enforced. In a way, that's an additional means of obfuscating narrative or as you suggest, not publishing unadulterated truth.

Grant Cameron has had some time to construct his fast talking narratives. Whether it satisfies him having embellished some of what he portrays as believable as several folks casually assert, is another matter. I wouldn't know. . . Grant brings up several important issues to consider, though, as do Nick Pope, Stan Freidman and others during the years of their investigative efforts. One is constantly subject to rebuttals and threats when data cannot be supplied in support of what that person tells as being the truth as they know it and without deliberately trying to mislead – their truth, in other words. Words often do not do many topics justice as the terms available do not quite describe what is witnessed and experienced or what is still sensitive, but can be undermining to others charged with still keeping secrets. . .

You mention "believe," yet for those who know certain things firsthand they do not have the cumbersome and frustrating mental overhead of believing, disbelieving or doubting as they know without those three mental irritants and obstacles.

You mentioned some doubt about LtCol Corso's promotion to Col – I suspect that that nomenclature of Col is similar to Sergeant or Commander or Admiral or Airman or Private or Seaman or Petty Officer, for instance, as in each of these there are multiple levels in each and the shortened term is often used. Whether that is grounds for mistrusting the individual I wouldn't know. I don't have access to Army personnel files nor do I have the need to have access, either, to official records where some aspects of them were classified or could be checked on a whim. . .

Doubting some of what was published in Corso's book is not anything new as there are obvious measures taken toward maintaining secrecy given that he was an intelligence officer during some difficult periods of US history just as LtCol Jesse Marcel Sr maintained as long as he did. A historical perspective helps to understand why there was a cover-up perpetrated in the first place. . . Take dogma and doctrine practiced in general across time and across the globe that some folks call flat or how the universe once put all celestial bodies revolving around planet earth. Finding out differently did not go over very well then – People were tortured, burnt alive, or exiled when their views put forth. Cultures today may seem more sophisticated, but are just as lethal and nasty, as ever, when it comes to the status quo being upset or threatens to undermine levels of control . . .Again, not anything new. . .

In any case, because compartmentalization of need-to-know information is so broad and currently practiced one is likely to get regularly frustrated with internal belief mechanisms one has adopted. . . It's one of the reasons why there's such a push toward confirmation and disclosure measures. . . Language confirmation and disclosure is limited no matter who has the megaphone to speak let alone in what capacity and authority of representation they assume. . . Curiosity is not always enough to gain secret access or for it to be given easily. . .

One of the angles of investigative pursuits into this phenomenon that is often eluded is what do the other beings do or think or react and why don't they land on one's front lawn – say hello in one's native language – allow a cell-phone video taken to be posted – or something similar to resolve this doubting uncertainty for the vast majority of folks that surrounds this unusual business of their existence and presence?. . At any rate, it does not seem over by a long margin. . .

I maintain, like many others, Knowledge is power – Power to overcome ignorance. . . Overcoming ignorance responsibly is easier said than done – to each their own gifts. . .

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 4266 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 542 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 666 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 607 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 542 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 495 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 512 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 470 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 459 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 479 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 432 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 435 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 484 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 431 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 449 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 362 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 405 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 552 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 581 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 444 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 453 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 461 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 457 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 444 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 439 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 540 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 552 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 461 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 422 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 419 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 411 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 476 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 497 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 394 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 401 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 416 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 457 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 454 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 338 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 409 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 499 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 400 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 415 Archaic 18-Dec-17 04:07
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 397 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 459 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 408 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 482 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 476 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 445 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 473 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 464 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:35
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 453 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:38
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 383 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 163 Archaic 25-Jun-19 10:01
2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 414 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:41
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 383 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:50
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 392 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:58
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 377 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 411 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 398 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 401 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 403 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 338 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 348 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 332 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 399 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 464 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 407 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 474 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 414 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 409 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 471 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 375 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 409 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:12
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 383 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 387 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 397 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 470 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 333 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 340 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 375 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 489 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 449 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 471 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 481 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 404 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 474 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 499 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 415 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 395 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 382 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 427 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 411 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 423 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 425 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 370 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:13
Could this be it? 417 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
Re: Could this be it? 382 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:18
And the one I could/did find... 415 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
Re: This today 452 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:23
Re: This today 414 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:25
Re: This today 361 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:23
Re: This today 404 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 01:27
Re: This today 410 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: This today 392 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:39
Re: This today 421 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:52
Re: This today 382 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 378 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 396 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 408 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 379 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 401 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 368 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 406 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 386 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 380 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
Re: try to envision 446 Aine 21-Dec-17 17:47
Re: This today 396 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 519 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
Re: Other angles 412 Aine 21-Dec-17 15:09
Other angles; in progress and deployed 396 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
Re: Other angles; in progress and deployed 417 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:31
In progress and deployed 354 Reagent 22-Dec-17 00:30
Re: In progress and deployed 383 Aine 22-Dec-17 00:59
Re: This today 401 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 428 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 396 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 360 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 409 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 413 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 394 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 391 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 374 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
Are all these kids corrupted? 391 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:27
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 374 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:51
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 380 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 13:21
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 395 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 396 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 408 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 473 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 465 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 453 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 453 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 416 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
Re: disbelievers? 426 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:33
Re: disbelievers? 448 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 402 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 418 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
Re: You don't see the difference? 422 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-17 19:32
Re: You don't see the difference? 496 Poster Boy 23-Dec-17 20:04
Re: You don't see the difference? 467 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 547 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49
US Navy Finally Opening Up About Odd Aerial Phenomena 186 Race Jackson 27-May-19 20:00
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 176 Dr. Troglodyte 27-May-19 22:02
HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 167 Dr. Troglodyte 31-May-19 15:56
Re: HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 166 Race Jackson 31-May-19 18:27
US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 199 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:18
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 189 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 13:25
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 193 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:56
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 169 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 14:01
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 186 Lee McGiffen 03-Jun-19 02:16
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 194 Race Jackson 03-Jun-19 18:44
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 166 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:20
Mod Warning > Race Jackson 183 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:22
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 155 Archaic 25-Jun-19 14:02
Tucker Carlson May 31st 2019 817 Race Jackson 07-Jun-19 00:49
SlaiciffO SoroboruO LaiciffO 196 Dr. Troglodyte 24-Jun-19 17:58
Thoughts 165 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:15
Re: Thoughts 159 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Jun-19 17:00
Re: Thoughts 157 Archaic 26-Jun-19 11:28
Re: Thoughts 206 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-19 16:05
US Navy Encounters Recent 158 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:41


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