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Hi Altered-State

. . . What stands out as something of an obfuscated part in LtCol Corso's account are the "filing cabinets and Nut-file" he, General Trudeau, and Senator Strom Thurmond often referred to during their time. . . One must understand something of what maintaining secrets entailed in intelligence circles then and how they're carried over into to today's policies and procedures. . .

Sources and methods of intelligence gathering are not discussed nor are they to be found throughout this thread on purpose or in LtCol Corso's, The Day after Roswell. . . The intelligence agencies actively securing secrets of the US are known for their story telling where the gist of maintaining secrecy is concerned and that strategy continues in play today on purpose – They make no apologies for sounding strange, idiotic, or even as if lying or incomplete since the need-to-know is usually up front with any written or verbal correspondence which is a given. . .


Need-to-know is a paramount requirement with information flow and material handling pertaining to research and development. That hasn't changed despite several significant data breaches over the last decade. Compartmentalization of information and material handling remains very effective despite where there have been breaches as any one data part lost to common knowledge does not necessarily bring down or expose the rest of the secrets that are related or attached. It's meant to frustrate the most avid of investigators and irritate the doubters to where such pursuits are eventually given up or postponed indefinitely to say little about how tiresome and resource demanding investigation often is already. Consider that ones' adversaries can be very crafty in how they steal data or classified information when it is not meant for them in the first place. . .

In such instances it becomes little more than what I call a word-wrestling-match using the usual – The lengthy, the linear, and imprecise language conundrum, as I call it. . . At best, one continues with a great debate sometimes unknowingly embellishing parts of the narrative to suit purposes of print and publication in an effort to explain, thinking one is helpful in doing so. . . Silence is best. . . Not everything written can sound like an encrypted Ian Fleming novel and still be entertaining by design. . .

In some ways, the "Nut-file," X-Files, circular files, have a similar meaning in that they refer to a means of depositing and / or disposing of information. This methodology is not anything new. . .

You're right though, LtCol Corso did not tell all and was probably still under strict measures of secrecy as well as knew better than to do so. Many players in the world are not trustworthy any more than the world a safe place. I suspect only he still knew the details he kept quiet about. He knew of the difficult time one could have firsthand with various agencies. It was part of the post war mentality then given the destructiveness of new weapons. If one were to look at this information flow business from a different point of view such as from a prosecutorial point of view, for instance – What one says can be and will be used against the sayer of said words (classified information or data). If sworn under an oath of secrecy one is bound under the terms and laws that that oath of secrecy is enforced. In a way, that's an additional means of obfuscating narrative or as you suggest, not publishing unadulterated truth.

Grant Cameron has had some time to construct his fast talking narratives. Whether it satisfies him having embellished some of what he portrays as believable as several folks casually assert, is another matter. I wouldn't know. . . Grant brings up several important issues to consider, though, as do Nick Pope, Stan Freidman and others during the years of their investigative efforts. One is constantly subject to rebuttals and threats when data cannot be supplied in support of what that person tells as being the truth as they know it and without deliberately trying to mislead – their truth, in other words. Words often do not do many topics justice as the terms available do not quite describe what is witnessed and experienced or what is still sensitive, but can be undermining to others charged with still keeping secrets. . .

You mention "believe," yet for those who know certain things firsthand they do not have the cumbersome and frustrating mental overhead of believing, disbelieving or doubting as they know without those three mental irritants and obstacles.

You mentioned some doubt about LtCol Corso's promotion to Col – I suspect that that nomenclature of Col is similar to Sergeant or Commander or Admiral or Airman or Private or Seaman or Petty Officer, for instance, as in each of these there are multiple levels in each and the shortened term is often used. Whether that is grounds for mistrusting the individual I wouldn't know. I don't have access to Army personnel files nor do I have the need to have access, either, to official records where some aspects of them were classified or could be checked on a whim. . .

Doubting some of what was published in Corso's book is not anything new as there are obvious measures taken toward maintaining secrecy given that he was an intelligence officer during some difficult periods of US history just as LtCol Jesse Marcel Sr maintained as long as he did. A historical perspective helps to understand why there was a cover-up perpetrated in the first place. . . Take dogma and doctrine practiced in general across time and across the globe that some folks call flat or how the universe once put all celestial bodies revolving around planet earth. Finding out differently did not go over very well then – People were tortured, burnt alive, or exiled when their views put forth. Cultures today may seem more sophisticated, but are just as lethal and nasty, as ever, when it comes to the status quo being upset or threatens to undermine levels of control . . .Again, not anything new. . .

In any case, because compartmentalization of need-to-know information is so broad and currently practiced one is likely to get regularly frustrated with internal belief mechanisms one has adopted. . . It's one of the reasons why there's such a push toward confirmation and disclosure measures. . . Language confirmation and disclosure is limited no matter who has the megaphone to speak let alone in what capacity and authority of representation they assume. . . Curiosity is not always enough to gain secret access or for it to be given easily. . .

One of the angles of investigative pursuits into this phenomenon that is often eluded is what do the other beings do or think or react and why don't they land on one's front lawn – say hello in one's native language – allow a cell-phone video taken to be posted – or something similar to resolve this doubting uncertainty for the vast majority of folks that surrounds this unusual business of their existence and presence?. . At any rate, it does not seem over by a long margin. . .

I maintain, like many others, Knowledge is power – Power to overcome ignorance. . . Overcoming ignorance responsibly is easier said than done – to each their own gifts. . .

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 4034 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 455 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 571 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 527 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 478 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 425 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 430 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 386 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 396 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 400 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 361 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 361 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 402 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 357 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 366 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 294 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 330 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 464 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 493 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 359 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 363 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 378 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 380 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 368 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 374 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 484 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 462 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 388 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 345 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 343 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 343 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 400 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 423 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 332 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 332 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 342 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 373 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 369 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 273 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 342 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 425 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 330 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 348 Archaic 18-Dec-17 04:07
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 333 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 394 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 338 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 399 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 406 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 383 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 395 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 394 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:35
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 368 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:38
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 303 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 77 Archaic 25-Jun-19 10:01
2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 337 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:41
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 318 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:50
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 320 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:58
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 307 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 325 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 311 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 312 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 322 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 269 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 287 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 271 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 313 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 395 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 338 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 392 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 346 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 346 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 405 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 306 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 323 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:12
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 318 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 320 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 330 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 390 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 257 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 274 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 305 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 405 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 388 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 387 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 416 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 340 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 399 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 422 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 337 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 323 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 319 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 366 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 332 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 349 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 361 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 306 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:13
Could this be it? 347 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
Re: Could this be it? 303 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:18
And the one I could/did find... 348 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
Re: This today 365 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:23
Re: This today 341 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:25
Re: This today 296 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:23
Re: This today 325 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 01:27
Re: This today 329 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: This today 306 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:39
Re: This today 356 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:52
Re: This today 308 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 301 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 313 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 350 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 315 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 317 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 309 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 310 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 314 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 306 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
Re: try to envision 380 Aine 21-Dec-17 17:47
Re: This today 309 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 449 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
Re: Other angles 334 Aine 21-Dec-17 15:09
Other angles; in progress and deployed 328 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
Re: Other angles; in progress and deployed 326 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:31
In progress and deployed 291 Reagent 22-Dec-17 00:30
Re: In progress and deployed 312 Aine 22-Dec-17 00:59
Re: This today 330 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 332 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 335 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 295 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 351 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 342 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 334 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 316 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 303 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
Are all these kids corrupted? 309 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:27
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 306 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:51
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 313 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 13:21
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 316 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 316 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 347 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 389 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 380 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 378 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 362 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 345 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
Re: disbelievers? 356 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:33
Re: disbelievers? 371 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 323 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 340 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
Re: You don't see the difference? 348 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-17 19:32
Re: You don't see the difference? 416 Poster Boy 23-Dec-17 20:04
Re: You don't see the difference? 398 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 467 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49
US Navy Finally Opening Up About Odd Aerial Phenomena 123 Race Jackson 27-May-19 20:00
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 102 Dr. Troglodyte 27-May-19 22:02
HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 102 Dr. Troglodyte 31-May-19 15:56
Re: HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 98 Race Jackson 31-May-19 18:27
US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 126 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:18
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 105 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 13:25
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 113 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:56
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 110 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 14:01
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 113 Lee McGiffen 03-Jun-19 02:16
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 112 Race Jackson 03-Jun-19 18:44
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 94 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:20
Mod Warning > Race Jackson 113 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:22
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 82 Archaic 25-Jun-19 14:02
Tucker Carlson May 31st 2019 583 Race Jackson 07-Jun-19 00:49
SlaiciffO SoroboruO LaiciffO 102 Dr. Troglodyte 24-Jun-19 17:58
Thoughts 84 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:15
Re: Thoughts 93 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Jun-19 17:00
Re: Thoughts 87 Archaic 26-Jun-19 11:28
Re: Thoughts 105 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-19 16:05
US Navy Encounters Recent 89 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:41


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