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Hi Altered-State

. . . What stands out as something of an obfuscated part in LtCol Corso's account are the "filing cabinets and Nut-file" he, General Trudeau, and Senator Strom Thurmond often referred to during their time. . . One must understand something of what maintaining secrets entailed in intelligence circles then and how they're carried over into to today's policies and procedures. . .

Sources and methods of intelligence gathering are not discussed nor are they to be found throughout this thread on purpose or in LtCol Corso's, The Day after Roswell. . . The intelligence agencies actively securing secrets of the US are known for their story telling where the gist of maintaining secrecy is concerned and that strategy continues in play today on purpose – They make no apologies for sounding strange, idiotic, or even as if lying or incomplete since the need-to-know is usually up front with any written or verbal correspondence which is a given. . .


Need-to-know is a paramount requirement with information flow and material handling pertaining to research and development. That hasn't changed despite several significant data breaches over the last decade. Compartmentalization of information and material handling remains very effective despite where there have been breaches as any one data part lost to common knowledge does not necessarily bring down or expose the rest of the secrets that are related or attached. It's meant to frustrate the most avid of investigators and irritate the doubters to where such pursuits are eventually given up or postponed indefinitely to say little about how tiresome and resource demanding investigation often is already. Consider that ones' adversaries can be very crafty in how they steal data or classified information when it is not meant for them in the first place. . .

In such instances it becomes little more than what I call a word-wrestling-match using the usual – The lengthy, the linear, and imprecise language conundrum, as I call it. . . At best, one continues with a great debate sometimes unknowingly embellishing parts of the narrative to suit purposes of print and publication in an effort to explain, thinking one is helpful in doing so. . . Silence is best. . . Not everything written can sound like an encrypted Ian Fleming novel and still be entertaining by design. . .

In some ways, the "Nut-file," X-Files, circular files, have a similar meaning in that they refer to a means of depositing and / or disposing of information. This methodology is not anything new. . .

You're right though, LtCol Corso did not tell all and was probably still under strict measures of secrecy as well as knew better than to do so. Many players in the world are not trustworthy any more than the world a safe place. I suspect only he still knew the details he kept quiet about. He knew of the difficult time one could have firsthand with various agencies. It was part of the post war mentality then given the destructiveness of new weapons. If one were to look at this information flow business from a different point of view such as from a prosecutorial point of view, for instance – What one says can be and will be used against the sayer of said words (classified information or data). If sworn under an oath of secrecy one is bound under the terms and laws that that oath of secrecy is enforced. In a way, that's an additional means of obfuscating narrative or as you suggest, not publishing unadulterated truth.

Grant Cameron has had some time to construct his fast talking narratives. Whether it satisfies him having embellished some of what he portrays as believable as several folks casually assert, is another matter. I wouldn't know. . . Grant brings up several important issues to consider, though, as do Nick Pope, Stan Freidman and others during the years of their investigative efforts. One is constantly subject to rebuttals and threats when data cannot be supplied in support of what that person tells as being the truth as they know it and without deliberately trying to mislead – their truth, in other words. Words often do not do many topics justice as the terms available do not quite describe what is witnessed and experienced or what is still sensitive, but can be undermining to others charged with still keeping secrets. . .

You mention "believe," yet for those who know certain things firsthand they do not have the cumbersome and frustrating mental overhead of believing, disbelieving or doubting as they know without those three mental irritants and obstacles.

You mentioned some doubt about LtCol Corso's promotion to Col – I suspect that that nomenclature of Col is similar to Sergeant or Commander or Admiral or Airman or Private or Seaman or Petty Officer, for instance, as in each of these there are multiple levels in each and the shortened term is often used. Whether that is grounds for mistrusting the individual I wouldn't know. I don't have access to Army personnel files nor do I have the need to have access, either, to official records where some aspects of them were classified or could be checked on a whim. . .

Doubting some of what was published in Corso's book is not anything new as there are obvious measures taken toward maintaining secrecy given that he was an intelligence officer during some difficult periods of US history just as LtCol Jesse Marcel Sr maintained as long as he did. A historical perspective helps to understand why there was a cover-up perpetrated in the first place. . . Take dogma and doctrine practiced in general across time and across the globe that some folks call flat or how the universe once put all celestial bodies revolving around planet earth. Finding out differently did not go over very well then – People were tortured, burnt alive, or exiled when their views put forth. Cultures today may seem more sophisticated, but are just as lethal and nasty, as ever, when it comes to the status quo being upset or threatens to undermine levels of control . . .Again, not anything new. . .

In any case, because compartmentalization of need-to-know information is so broad and currently practiced one is likely to get regularly frustrated with internal belief mechanisms one has adopted. . . It's one of the reasons why there's such a push toward confirmation and disclosure measures. . . Language confirmation and disclosure is limited no matter who has the megaphone to speak let alone in what capacity and authority of representation they assume. . . Curiosity is not always enough to gain secret access or for it to be given easily. . .

One of the angles of investigative pursuits into this phenomenon that is often eluded is what do the other beings do or think or react and why don't they land on one's front lawn – say hello in one's native language – allow a cell-phone video taken to be posted – or something similar to resolve this doubting uncertainty for the vast majority of folks that surrounds this unusual business of their existence and presence?. . At any rate, it does not seem over by a long margin. . .

I maintain, like many others, Knowledge is power – Power to overcome ignorance. . . Overcoming ignorance responsibly is easier said than done – to each their own gifts. . .

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 2640 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 227 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 333 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 301 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 271 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 229 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 221 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 199 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 211 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 214 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 185 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 181 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 204 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 180 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 186 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 115 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 143 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 250 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 271 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 177 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 178 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 183 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 185 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 194 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 195 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 283 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 278 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 199 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 171 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 170 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 182 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 214 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 241 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 168 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 170 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 174 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 197 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 201 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 105 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 179 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 244 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 164 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 174 Archaic 18-Dec-17 04:07
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 169 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 204 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 174 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 216 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 222 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 202 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 213 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 221 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:35
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 189 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:38
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 145 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:43
2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 165 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:41
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 155 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:50
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 158 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:58
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 145 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 152 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 145 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 148 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 126 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 106 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 116 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 104 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 121 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 218 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 173 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 223 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 178 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 177 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 234 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 150 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 155 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:12
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 151 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 152 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 145 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 190 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 99 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 107 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 127 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 215 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 209 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 205 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 227 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 179 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 227 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 235 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 173 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 159 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 160 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 186 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 164 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 173 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 190 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 150 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:13
Could this be it? 168 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
Re: Could this be it? 143 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:18
And the one I could/did find... 169 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
Re: This today 184 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:23
Re: This today 168 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:25
Re: This today 133 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:23
Re: This today 161 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 01:27
Re: This today 158 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: This today 148 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:39
Re: This today 166 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:52
Re: This today 148 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 143 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 152 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 164 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 156 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 155 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 155 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 147 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 142 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 148 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
Re: try to envision 208 Aine 21-Dec-17 17:47
Re: This today 149 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 274 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
Re: Other angles 171 Aine 21-Dec-17 15:09
Other angles; in progress and deployed 161 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
Re: Other angles; in progress and deployed 162 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:31
In progress and deployed 141 Reagent 22-Dec-17 00:30
Re: In progress and deployed 142 Aine 22-Dec-17 00:59
Re: This today 161 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 156 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 157 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 138 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 178 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 169 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 168 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 154 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 137 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
Are all these kids corrupted? 145 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:27
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 142 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:51
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 141 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 13:21
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 150 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 154 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 173 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 184 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 189 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 176 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 180 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 183 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
Re: disbelievers? 171 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:33
Re: disbelievers? 198 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 161 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 175 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
Re: You don't see the difference? 178 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-17 19:32
Re: You don't see the difference? 228 Poster Boy 23-Dec-17 20:04
Re: You don't see the difference? 219 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 280 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49


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