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Hi Altered-State

. . . What stands out as something of an obfuscated part in LtCol Corso's account are the "filing cabinets and Nut-file" he, General Trudeau, and Senator Strom Thurmond often referred to during their time. . . One must understand something of what maintaining secrets entailed in intelligence circles then and how they're carried over into to today's policies and procedures. . .

Sources and methods of intelligence gathering are not discussed nor are they to be found throughout this thread on purpose or in LtCol Corso's, The Day after Roswell. . . The intelligence agencies actively securing secrets of the US are known for their story telling where the gist of maintaining secrecy is concerned and that strategy continues in play today on purpose – They make no apologies for sounding strange, idiotic, or even as if lying or incomplete since the need-to-know is usually up front with any written or verbal correspondence which is a given. . .


Need-to-know is a paramount requirement with information flow and material handling pertaining to research and development. That hasn't changed despite several significant data breaches over the last decade. Compartmentalization of information and material handling remains very effective despite where there have been breaches as any one data part lost to common knowledge does not necessarily bring down or expose the rest of the secrets that are related or attached. It's meant to frustrate the most avid of investigators and irritate the doubters to where such pursuits are eventually given up or postponed indefinitely to say little about how tiresome and resource demanding investigation often is already. Consider that ones' adversaries can be very crafty in how they steal data or classified information when it is not meant for them in the first place. . .

In such instances it becomes little more than what I call a word-wrestling-match using the usual – The lengthy, the linear, and imprecise language conundrum, as I call it. . . At best, one continues with a great debate sometimes unknowingly embellishing parts of the narrative to suit purposes of print and publication in an effort to explain, thinking one is helpful in doing so. . . Silence is best. . . Not everything written can sound like an encrypted Ian Fleming novel and still be entertaining by design. . .

In some ways, the "Nut-file," X-Files, circular files, have a similar meaning in that they refer to a means of depositing and / or disposing of information. This methodology is not anything new. . .

You're right though, LtCol Corso did not tell all and was probably still under strict measures of secrecy as well as knew better than to do so. Many players in the world are not trustworthy any more than the world a safe place. I suspect only he still knew the details he kept quiet about. He knew of the difficult time one could have firsthand with various agencies. It was part of the post war mentality then given the destructiveness of new weapons. If one were to look at this information flow business from a different point of view such as from a prosecutorial point of view, for instance – What one says can be and will be used against the sayer of said words (classified information or data). If sworn under an oath of secrecy one is bound under the terms and laws that that oath of secrecy is enforced. In a way, that's an additional means of obfuscating narrative or as you suggest, not publishing unadulterated truth.

Grant Cameron has had some time to construct his fast talking narratives. Whether it satisfies him having embellished some of what he portrays as believable as several folks casually assert, is another matter. I wouldn't know. . . Grant brings up several important issues to consider, though, as do Nick Pope, Stan Freidman and others during the years of their investigative efforts. One is constantly subject to rebuttals and threats when data cannot be supplied in support of what that person tells as being the truth as they know it and without deliberately trying to mislead – their truth, in other words. Words often do not do many topics justice as the terms available do not quite describe what is witnessed and experienced or what is still sensitive, but can be undermining to others charged with still keeping secrets. . .

You mention "believe," yet for those who know certain things firsthand they do not have the cumbersome and frustrating mental overhead of believing, disbelieving or doubting as they know without those three mental irritants and obstacles.

You mentioned some doubt about LtCol Corso's promotion to Col – I suspect that that nomenclature of Col is similar to Sergeant or Commander or Admiral or Airman or Private or Seaman or Petty Officer, for instance, as in each of these there are multiple levels in each and the shortened term is often used. Whether that is grounds for mistrusting the individual I wouldn't know. I don't have access to Army personnel files nor do I have the need to have access, either, to official records where some aspects of them were classified or could be checked on a whim. . .

Doubting some of what was published in Corso's book is not anything new as there are obvious measures taken toward maintaining secrecy given that he was an intelligence officer during some difficult periods of US history just as LtCol Jesse Marcel Sr maintained as long as he did. A historical perspective helps to understand why there was a cover-up perpetrated in the first place. . . Take dogma and doctrine practiced in general across time and across the globe that some folks call flat or how the universe once put all celestial bodies revolving around planet earth. Finding out differently did not go over very well then – People were tortured, burnt alive, or exiled when their views put forth. Cultures today may seem more sophisticated, but are just as lethal and nasty, as ever, when it comes to the status quo being upset or threatens to undermine levels of control . . .Again, not anything new. . .

In any case, because compartmentalization of need-to-know information is so broad and currently practiced one is likely to get regularly frustrated with internal belief mechanisms one has adopted. . . It's one of the reasons why there's such a push toward confirmation and disclosure measures. . . Language confirmation and disclosure is limited no matter who has the megaphone to speak let alone in what capacity and authority of representation they assume. . . Curiosity is not always enough to gain secret access or for it to be given easily. . .

One of the angles of investigative pursuits into this phenomenon that is often eluded is what do the other beings do or think or react and why don't they land on one's front lawn – say hello in one's native language – allow a cell-phone video taken to be posted – or something similar to resolve this doubting uncertainty for the vast majority of folks that surrounds this unusual business of their existence and presence?. . At any rate, it does not seem over by a long margin. . .

I maintain, like many others, Knowledge is power – Power to overcome ignorance. . . Overcoming ignorance responsibly is easier said than done – to each their own gifts. . .

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 4149 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 493 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 618 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 564 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 509 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 462 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 475 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 425 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 428 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 439 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 396 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 399 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 443 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 391 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 401 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 331 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 366 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 501 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 537 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 397 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 408 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 417 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 416 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 401 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 408 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 510 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 502 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 419 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 378 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 375 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 377 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 438 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 453 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 364 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 366 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 382 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 418 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 406 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 307 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 377 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 460 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 362 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 384 Archaic 18-Dec-17 04:07
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 367 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 425 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 375 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 435 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 443 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 415 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 427 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 430 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:35
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 404 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:38
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 342 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 112 Archaic 25-Jun-19 10:01
2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 372 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:41
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 353 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:50
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 354 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:58
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 344 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 365 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 352 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 352 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 360 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 303 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 319 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 304 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 350 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 423 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 372 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 444 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 383 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 377 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 438 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 338 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 359 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:12
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 350 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 354 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 363 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 436 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 292 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 307 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 333 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 446 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 418 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 422 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 450 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 370 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 433 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 456 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 373 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 356 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 354 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 396 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 367 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 391 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 396 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 339 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:13
Could this be it? 382 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
Re: Could this be it? 338 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:18
And the one I could/did find... 382 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
Re: This today 398 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:23
Re: This today 380 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:25
Re: This today 326 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:23
Re: This today 355 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 01:27
Re: This today 366 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: This today 346 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:39
Re: This today 389 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:52
Re: This today 337 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 340 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 349 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 379 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 351 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 356 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 339 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 361 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 348 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 343 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
Re: try to envision 415 Aine 21-Dec-17 17:47
Re: This today 351 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 482 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
Re: Other angles 372 Aine 21-Dec-17 15:09
Other angles; in progress and deployed 358 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
Re: Other angles; in progress and deployed 368 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:31
In progress and deployed 325 Reagent 22-Dec-17 00:30
Re: In progress and deployed 349 Aine 22-Dec-17 00:59
Re: This today 366 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 377 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 367 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 324 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 380 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 382 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 364 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 347 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 337 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
Are all these kids corrupted? 343 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:27
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 340 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:51
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 347 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 13:21
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 351 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 348 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 379 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 425 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 423 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 417 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 402 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 378 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
Re: disbelievers? 387 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:33
Re: disbelievers? 408 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 361 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 379 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
Re: You don't see the difference? 379 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-17 19:32
Re: You don't see the difference? 461 Poster Boy 23-Dec-17 20:04
Re: You don't see the difference? 437 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 509 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49
US Navy Finally Opening Up About Odd Aerial Phenomena 154 Race Jackson 27-May-19 20:00
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 143 Dr. Troglodyte 27-May-19 22:02
HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 135 Dr. Troglodyte 31-May-19 15:56
Re: HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 129 Race Jackson 31-May-19 18:27
US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 167 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:18
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 139 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 13:25
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 143 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:56
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 137 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 14:01
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 140 Lee McGiffen 03-Jun-19 02:16
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 145 Race Jackson 03-Jun-19 18:44
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 122 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:20
Mod Warning > Race Jackson 150 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:22
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 116 Archaic 25-Jun-19 14:02
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SlaiciffO SoroboruO LaiciffO 137 Dr. Troglodyte 24-Jun-19 17:58
Thoughts 118 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:15
Re: Thoughts 127 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Jun-19 17:00
Re: Thoughts 119 Archaic 26-Jun-19 11:28
Re: Thoughts 155 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-19 16:05
US Navy Encounters Recent 123 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:41


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