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Hi Altered-State

. . . What stands out as something of an obfuscated part in LtCol Corso's account are the "filing cabinets and Nut-file" he, General Trudeau, and Senator Strom Thurmond often referred to during their time. . . One must understand something of what maintaining secrets entailed in intelligence circles then and how they're carried over into to today's policies and procedures. . .

Sources and methods of intelligence gathering are not discussed nor are they to be found throughout this thread on purpose or in LtCol Corso's, The Day after Roswell. . . The intelligence agencies actively securing secrets of the US are known for their story telling where the gist of maintaining secrecy is concerned and that strategy continues in play today on purpose – They make no apologies for sounding strange, idiotic, or even as if lying or incomplete since the need-to-know is usually up front with any written or verbal correspondence which is a given. . .


Need-to-know is a paramount requirement with information flow and material handling pertaining to research and development. That hasn't changed despite several significant data breaches over the last decade. Compartmentalization of information and material handling remains very effective despite where there have been breaches as any one data part lost to common knowledge does not necessarily bring down or expose the rest of the secrets that are related or attached. It's meant to frustrate the most avid of investigators and irritate the doubters to where such pursuits are eventually given up or postponed indefinitely to say little about how tiresome and resource demanding investigation often is already. Consider that ones' adversaries can be very crafty in how they steal data or classified information when it is not meant for them in the first place. . .

In such instances it becomes little more than what I call a word-wrestling-match using the usual – The lengthy, the linear, and imprecise language conundrum, as I call it. . . At best, one continues with a great debate sometimes unknowingly embellishing parts of the narrative to suit purposes of print and publication in an effort to explain, thinking one is helpful in doing so. . . Silence is best. . . Not everything written can sound like an encrypted Ian Fleming novel and still be entertaining by design. . .

In some ways, the "Nut-file," X-Files, circular files, have a similar meaning in that they refer to a means of depositing and / or disposing of information. This methodology is not anything new. . .

You're right though, LtCol Corso did not tell all and was probably still under strict measures of secrecy as well as knew better than to do so. Many players in the world are not trustworthy any more than the world a safe place. I suspect only he still knew the details he kept quiet about. He knew of the difficult time one could have firsthand with various agencies. It was part of the post war mentality then given the destructiveness of new weapons. If one were to look at this information flow business from a different point of view such as from a prosecutorial point of view, for instance – What one says can be and will be used against the sayer of said words (classified information or data). If sworn under an oath of secrecy one is bound under the terms and laws that that oath of secrecy is enforced. In a way, that's an additional means of obfuscating narrative or as you suggest, not publishing unadulterated truth.

Grant Cameron has had some time to construct his fast talking narratives. Whether it satisfies him having embellished some of what he portrays as believable as several folks casually assert, is another matter. I wouldn't know. . . Grant brings up several important issues to consider, though, as do Nick Pope, Stan Freidman and others during the years of their investigative efforts. One is constantly subject to rebuttals and threats when data cannot be supplied in support of what that person tells as being the truth as they know it and without deliberately trying to mislead – their truth, in other words. Words often do not do many topics justice as the terms available do not quite describe what is witnessed and experienced or what is still sensitive, but can be undermining to others charged with still keeping secrets. . .

You mention "believe," yet for those who know certain things firsthand they do not have the cumbersome and frustrating mental overhead of believing, disbelieving or doubting as they know without those three mental irritants and obstacles.

You mentioned some doubt about LtCol Corso's promotion to Col – I suspect that that nomenclature of Col is similar to Sergeant or Commander or Admiral or Airman or Private or Seaman or Petty Officer, for instance, as in each of these there are multiple levels in each and the shortened term is often used. Whether that is grounds for mistrusting the individual I wouldn't know. I don't have access to Army personnel files nor do I have the need to have access, either, to official records where some aspects of them were classified or could be checked on a whim. . .

Doubting some of what was published in Corso's book is not anything new as there are obvious measures taken toward maintaining secrecy given that he was an intelligence officer during some difficult periods of US history just as LtCol Jesse Marcel Sr maintained as long as he did. A historical perspective helps to understand why there was a cover-up perpetrated in the first place. . . Take dogma and doctrine practiced in general across time and across the globe that some folks call flat or how the universe once put all celestial bodies revolving around planet earth. Finding out differently did not go over very well then – People were tortured, burnt alive, or exiled when their views put forth. Cultures today may seem more sophisticated, but are just as lethal and nasty, as ever, when it comes to the status quo being upset or threatens to undermine levels of control . . .Again, not anything new. . .

In any case, because compartmentalization of need-to-know information is so broad and currently practiced one is likely to get regularly frustrated with internal belief mechanisms one has adopted. . . It's one of the reasons why there's such a push toward confirmation and disclosure measures. . . Language confirmation and disclosure is limited no matter who has the megaphone to speak let alone in what capacity and authority of representation they assume. . . Curiosity is not always enough to gain secret access or for it to be given easily. . .

One of the angles of investigative pursuits into this phenomenon that is often eluded is what do the other beings do or think or react and why don't they land on one's front lawn – say hello in one's native language – allow a cell-phone video taken to be posted – or something similar to resolve this doubting uncertainty for the vast majority of folks that surrounds this unusual business of their existence and presence?. . At any rate, it does not seem over by a long margin. . .

I maintain, like many others, Knowledge is power – Power to overcome ignorance. . . Overcoming ignorance responsibly is easier said than done – to each their own gifts. . .

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 2547 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 194 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 300 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 266 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 239 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 195 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 187 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 170 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 181 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 181 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 156 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 156 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 172 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 153 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 158 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 91 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 110 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 204 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 228 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 150 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 150 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 158 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 154 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 168 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 161 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 250 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 249 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 162 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 146 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 145 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 156 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 181 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 214 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 143 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 144 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 148 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 171 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 175 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 79 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 152 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 207 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 137 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 148 Archaic 18-Dec-17 04:07
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 141 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 171 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 148 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 185 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 191 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 170 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 182 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 190 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:35
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 156 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:38
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 118 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:43
2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 137 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:41
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 128 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:50
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 131 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:58
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 120 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 126 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 120 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 124 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 94 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 80 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 91 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 80 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 96 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 188 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 147 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 190 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 153 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 151 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 203 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 126 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 128 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:12
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 125 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 126 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 118 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 158 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 76 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 82 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 95 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 184 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 179 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 177 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 194 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 153 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 194 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 204 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 148 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 133 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 132 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 153 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 137 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 143 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 156 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 124 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:13
Could this be it? 139 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
Re: Could this be it? 116 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:18
And the one I could/did find... 139 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
Re: This today 150 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:23
Re: This today 137 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:25
Re: This today 108 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:23
Re: This today 134 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 01:27
Re: This today 126 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: This today 122 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:39
Re: This today 135 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:52
Re: This today 121 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 118 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 125 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 133 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 130 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 130 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 128 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 121 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 116 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 122 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
Re: try to envision 177 Aine 21-Dec-17 17:47
Re: This today 123 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 242 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
Re: Other angles 145 Aine 21-Dec-17 15:09
Other angles; in progress and deployed 135 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
Re: Other angles; in progress and deployed 137 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:31
In progress and deployed 117 Reagent 22-Dec-17 00:30
Re: In progress and deployed 117 Aine 22-Dec-17 00:59
Re: This today 131 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 126 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 126 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 113 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 150 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 141 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 143 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 129 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 112 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
Are all these kids corrupted? 118 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:27
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 117 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:51
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 115 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 13:21
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 124 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 127 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 143 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 149 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 154 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 145 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 153 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 157 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
Re: disbelievers? 146 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:33
Re: disbelievers? 170 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 134 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 148 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
Re: You don't see the difference? 148 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-17 19:32
Re: You don't see the difference? 198 Poster Boy 23-Dec-17 20:04
Re: You don't see the difference? 189 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 250 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49


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