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Nolondil Wrote:
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> Appeal to ignorance, in this case for the sake of
> melodrama. That's one of the favorite tactics of
> 'woo'. Chemistry is now based on direct
> understanding of the structure of atoms. There are
> no gaps in the element table, and probably not
> many remaining undiscovered elements even at the
> far end. Very heavy elements are very unstable and
> short-lived. I agree with Aine that the statement
> needs to be clarified, but if they mean that they
> really have no idea what it is, they wouldn't even
> know to call it an 'alloy' (a combination of one
> or more metals with possibly other
> non-metallic elements). And if it really was
> something unlike any other known matter, why would
> it even interact with normal matter? If they
> simply mean that they don't know where it came
> from (who manufactured it) then the person or
> persons reporting the story are using deliberate
> ambiguity, again, for the purpose of melodrama. An
> unidentifiable piece of wreckage is not evidence
> of aliens or super-human technology.

This clears things up a bit:

The Truth About Those 'Alien Alloys' in The NY Times UFO Story

[www.livescience.com]

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Even if a chunk of alloy that hadn't been seen before did fall to Earth from outer space, both Nyman and Sachleben agreed that it wouldn't necessarily have come from an alien craft. In fact, Sachleben said, alloys strike the planet regularly — space-traversing alloys like those found in fairly common nickel-iron meteorites — leaving behind telltale signs. The meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs was even identified by the rare-Earth metals it left behind in certain geological formations in Earth's crust.

It's important to point out that while Blumenthal did go on cable news and say the alloys were unidentifiable mysteries, helping to spur speculation, that's not what his article actually stated. Here's the full quote from Saturday's piece:

"The company [involved in the DOD research] modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that … program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena. Researchers also studied people who said they had experienced physical effects from encounters with the objects and examined them for any physiological changes. In addition, researchers spoke to military service members who had reported sightings of strange aircraft."

From this statement, there's no actual sign that there's anything unusual about the alloys themselves. All the Times wrote was that the DOD researchers tasked with finding weird UFO stuff collected some metal, interviewed some people who had claimed startling experiences with it, and decided that it was UFO-related.

In an email to Live Science regarding these metal alloys, Blumenthal said, "We printed as much as we were able to verify. Can't go beyond that."

As for whether there's an explanation at least for the metals themselves, Sachleben said: "There's not as many mysteries in science as people like to think. It's not like we know everything — we don't know everything. But most things we know enough about to know what we don't know."

I am satisfied with this answer, other than wanting to know specifically what alloys were found.

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 2643 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 229 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 334 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 302 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 272 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 231 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 222 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 201 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 212 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 217 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 187 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 182 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 206 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 181 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 187 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 116 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 145 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 252 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 273 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 179 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 180 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 185 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 187 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 196 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 196 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 284 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 279 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
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Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 173 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 172 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 184 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 216 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
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Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 171 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 175 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 198 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 202 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 107 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 180 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 245 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 170 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 175 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 218 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 224 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 203 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 215 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
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Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 147 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 154 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 147 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 149 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 128 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 108 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 118 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 106 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 220 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 179 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 179 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 235 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 151 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 152 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 217 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 228 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 181 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 230 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 238 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 174 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 160 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 161 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
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Re: This today 149 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 145 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 153 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 166 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 157 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 157 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 156 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 149 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 143 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 149 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
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Re: This today 151 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 276 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
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Re: This today 162 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 157 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 158 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 139 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 179 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 170 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 170 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 156 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 175 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 187 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 192 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 178 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 182 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
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