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Aine
. . . The NYT said in the article that the military has in its possession alloys it cannot identify. In a conversation with another poster, he wondered why academic institutions with materials scientists on board haven't been given the opportunity to study these alloys


The source of that New York Times article should be scrutinized and validated. . . Any idea of the date or section or title? . . That’s not necessarily a show stopper, though, without those.

At any rate, one angle to consider are the security issues and need-to-know access that previously classified materials or even currently classified materials entail outside military protocol. . . Military Research and Development methodology is not an excessively public domain with easy access. Nor am I one to write the book on it presently. . . With projects outsourced, there’s often a vetting process that occurs. Socio-economic, management of industry, financial support of manufacturing / fabrication and, in a capitalist based economy, there’s patenting and profits to consider as well as eventual public and adversarial exposure of product spinoff development from unique resources. . . One should include staff personnel or employees also. . .

It will affect economy based investment procedures and expectations on global markets. They [private enterprises] often need to input an initial sum to continue research and development as well as see to their employee wages. The military establishment does seek potential developments of military utility geared toward their mandate – National Security. . . The military cannot seek a profit based outcome, but one should expect and allow private enterprises that privilege in a free and democratic society. The military does not necessarily claim originality, either, of initial ideas or back engineering observations from captured source materials. Credits stay with the private sector. . .

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Aine
. . . The elements contained in the alloys must be known. The universe is made up of the same stuff. So what exactly do they mean by "unidentifiable"?

One angle, maybe two, regarding element identification might have to do with currently known elements and isotopes to those hypothesized which, as I recall Prof Stephen Hawking theorizing that there might be 200 elements, or so, to fill the period table of elements. Another source less contemporary suggests that there are 266 elements. Laird Scranton has elaborated on that angle and is a member on the forum boards where his input can be searched. He’s also written books on related material.

Both angles of inquiry leave this business of identifying the remaining unknown elements still a work in progress as well as the means of further identifying the unknowns. . .

Richard

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 2643 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 229 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 334 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 302 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 272 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 231 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 222 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 201 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 212 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 217 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 187 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 182 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 206 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 181 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 187 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 116 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 145 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 250 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 273 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 179 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 180 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 185 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 186 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 196 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 196 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 284 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 279 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 202 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 173 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 172 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 184 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 215 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 243 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 169 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 171 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 175 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 198 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 202 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 107 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 180 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 245 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 166 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 175 Archaic 18-Dec-17 04:07
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 170 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:33
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 206 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 175 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 05:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 218 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:49
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 224 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:41
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 203 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:10
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 215 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:25
1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 223 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:35
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 190 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:38
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 147 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:43
2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 167 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:41
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 156 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:50
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 159 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:58
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 147 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:03
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 154 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:06
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 147 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 149 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 127 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 108 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 118 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 106 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 123 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 220 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 174 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 224 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 179 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 179 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 235 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 17:34
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 151 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 156 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:12
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 151 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:14
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 152 Poster Boy 18-Dec-17 18:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 146 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 191 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 100 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 107 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 127 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 216 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 209 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 206 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 227 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 180 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 229 Poster Boy 20-Dec-17 00:58
Re: This today 236 Aine 20-Dec-17 01:03
Re: This today 173 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 159 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 160 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 186 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 165 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 173 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 190 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 150 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:13
Could this be it? 169 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
Re: Could this be it? 144 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:18
And the one I could/did find... 169 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
Re: This today 185 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:23
Re: This today 169 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:25
Re: This today 134 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:23
Re: This today 162 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 01:27
Re: This today 159 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:31
Re: This today 148 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:39
Re: This today 166 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:52
Re: This today 148 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:57
Re: This today 144 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:00
very limited consideration imv 152 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 165 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 156 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 156 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 155 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 148 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 142 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 148 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
Re: try to envision 208 Aine 21-Dec-17 17:47
Re: This today 150 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:34
Other angles 274 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
Re: Other angles 172 Aine 21-Dec-17 15:09
Other angles; in progress and deployed 162 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
Re: Other angles; in progress and deployed 163 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:31
In progress and deployed 141 Reagent 22-Dec-17 00:30
Re: In progress and deployed 142 Aine 22-Dec-17 00:59
Re: This today 161 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 16:43
Re: This today 156 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:39
Re: This today 157 Poster Boy 22-Dec-17 21:58
Re: This today 138 Aine 22-Dec-17 23:37
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 178 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 169 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 169 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 155 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 138 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
Are all these kids corrupted? 145 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:27
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 143 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:51
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 142 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 13:21
Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 151 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 155 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 174 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 186 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 191 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 177 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 180 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 183 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
Re: disbelievers? 172 Aine 22-Dec-17 20:33
Re: disbelievers? 200 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 161 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 175 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
Re: You don't see the difference? 179 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-17 19:32
Re: You don't see the difference? 228 Poster Boy 23-Dec-17 20:04
Re: You don't see the difference? 219 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 280 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49


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