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Hi Kees

> You said: “That is my opinion, yes because of the issue of
> the Fall.”
> My reaction:
> You leave me totally in the dark with such remarks. Apart
> from setting my associative powers to overdrive, I have no
> real understanding over what you mean.
> Please explain a bit further. I really want to understand
> where you are coming from in these matters.

I was refering to the fall of some of the angels, who according to ancient texts came to earth and interbred with human women thus spawning a race of Nephilim or "Watchers", who imparted to mankind knowledge. Lawrence Gardner has writen at leangth about this and it'll be interesting to hear how he bears this out when he becomes next month's forum guest...

> You said: “I'm not anti individual Masons as most Masons
> aren't told what the adepts of Freemasonry believe; they have
> to find it out for themselves. In fact, many Masons are
> deliberately misled.”
> My reaction:
> Do you mean to say that within masonry there is a scam within
> a scam as in that they all fool each other? And if so, where
> are they misled away from anyway, by whom, for what purpose?

Freemasonry, according to Albert Pike and Manly P. Hall, is two organisations within one:

"Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity - an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August (defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur') fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious Arcanum (defined as 'a secret, a mystery')." - Manly P. Hall, "Lectures on Ancient Philosophy" (contained in The Secret Teachings of All Ages)

"So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray... If you have been disappointed in the first three degrees, as you have received them... remember that... symbols were used, not to reveal but to conceal... The symbols and ceremonies of Masonry have more than one meaning. They rather conceal than disclose the Truth" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma,pp. 105-106; 148)

"The Blue Degrees [first, second and third] are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (the 28th degree and beyond)." [Morals and Dogma, p. 819]

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5]

"A Spirit that loves wisdom and contemplates the Truth close at hand, is forced to disguise it, to induce the multitudes [that is you] to accept it... Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason." [Morals and Dogma, p. 103]

The reason why Freemasonry misleads even its own, IMO, is because Freemasonry is one of many tools to usher in the NWO according to an esoteric doctrine that if it became widely known, would cause even more problems that the world is already facing, what with Islamic terrorist groups targetting the "Great Satan".

> You said: “I'm sure the original meaning of Osiris probably
> was different but I still don't believe this deity really had
> mankind’s interests at heart.
> My reaction:
> Erm, as far as I understand, Osiris was a symbol created by
> the AE that, over the centuries, went through several stages
> in it's meaning. How in heavens name can that be extrapolated
> into “Osiris did not had mankind’s interests at heart”.
> Aren’t you comparing apples and pears?
> Aren’t you putting to much reality into the Jesus myth?
> Check this
> for a reasonable easy to read story over the Osiris cult.

Thanks for the link which I've read along with countless other articles on Osiris... I've already expressed my opinion that the Osiris stroy was a reflection of the already existing Son of God, namely Jesus. IMO, humanity began to go wrong as soon as it put its trust in the Watchers who created the foundations for the civilisation we have today.

> You said: “I don't have much regard for Churchianity.”
> My reaction:
> Sheesh, I think we have found yet more common ground :-))



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Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 934 Kees 11-Mar-04 17:14
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 270 newrisingsun 11-Mar-04 19:08
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 271 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 335 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 20:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 269 David L 11-Mar-04 21:39
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 219 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:45
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 246 David L 12-Mar-04 18:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 248 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 255 David L 13-Mar-04 15:55
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 314 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 23:59
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 232 Milo 12-Mar-04 01:08
Word is Egyptian 279 Lee McGiffen 12-Mar-04 13:31
Linguistics, diffusion question 223 ananda 12-Mar-04 16:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 239 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:06
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 265 ArmchairObserver 12-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 252 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:02
Erm, thats a circle 253 Kees 13-Mar-04 13:05
Re: Erm, thats a circle 198 newrisingsun 13-Mar-04 14:09
Re: Erm, thats a circle 264 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 226 ArmchairObserver 14-Mar-04 06:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 237 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 227 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 13:24
You're post is goroundless ad hominem NRS 233 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:48
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 201 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 250 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 240 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 273 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 228 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 245 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 206 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:36
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 247 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:50
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 208 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:55
BTW... 235 Milo 15-Mar-04 22:58
Re: BTW... 276 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 23:26
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 243 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:54
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 230 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 256 Mark Staab 15-Mar-04 18:38
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 237 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 264 Dominick Ohrbeck 12-Mar-04 18:19
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 209 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 258 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:04
Re: Word is Egyptian 266 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Word is Egyptian 245 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 20:30
Re: Word is Egyptian 253 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 208 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 21:14
Re: Word is Egyptian 255 Milo 12-Mar-04 21:37
Re: Word is Egyptian 246 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 22:40
Re: Word is Egyptian 210 Milo 12-Mar-04 23:00
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 227 Dominick Ohrbeck 13-Mar-04 00:05
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 254 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 16:08
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 274 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 254 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:28
Re: Word is Egyptian 273 Sphinx 13-Mar-04 00:01
Re: Word is Egyptian 255 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 14:56
Re: Word is Egyptian 266 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 272 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:43
Re: Word is Egyptian 276 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:47
Re: Word is Egyptian 252 Milo 13-Mar-04 01:31
The Pendulum swings ... 244 Thirdwave 13-Mar-04 11:18
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 257 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 11:38
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 273 Thirdwave 14-Mar-04 00:54
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 252 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:48
Greatest twist ever 260 Kees 13-Mar-04 14:37
Re: Greatest twist ever 255 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:56
Re: Greatest twist ever 275 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:25
Re: Greatest twist ever 277 Milo 16-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Word is Egyptian 304 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 17:55
Re: Word is Egyptian 246 Nebankh 16-Mar-04 11:13
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 272 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:43
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 306 Sphinx 12-Mar-04 00:11
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 237 Milo 12-Mar-04 00:57
Please help me out 262 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Please help me out 214 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:04
Re: Please help me out 284 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:41
Re: Please help me out 243 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:13
Re: I need to add.... 251 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:46
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 301 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:17
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 263 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 256 Hoppy 11-Mar-04 21:50
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 253 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 22:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 219 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:35
1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 243 Dominick Ohrbeck 16-Mar-04 05:45
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 243 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 13:39
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 265 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 03:14
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 259 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:31
Oops, let' try those Sethite links again. 208 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:36
One more time.... 214 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:40
Re: One more time.... 224 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 20:24
Re: One more time.... 263 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 21:03
Re: One more time.... 327 Dominick Ohrbeck 25-Mar-04 19:48
Urantia/Urartia/Ur/Urani/Uranos 330 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 20:31
Re: Van People connection 261 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Van People connection 268 Dominick Ohrbeck 26-Mar-04 00:33
Re: Van People connection 506 Kboldt 26-Mar-04 13:31

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