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Hi Kees

> You said: “That is my opinion, yes because of the issue of
> the Fall.”
> My reaction:
> You leave me totally in the dark with such remarks. Apart
> from setting my associative powers to overdrive, I have no
> real understanding over what you mean.
> Please explain a bit further. I really want to understand
> where you are coming from in these matters.

I was refering to the fall of some of the angels, who according to ancient texts came to earth and interbred with human women thus spawning a race of Nephilim or "Watchers", who imparted to mankind knowledge. Lawrence Gardner has writen at leangth about this and it'll be interesting to hear how he bears this out when he becomes next month's forum guest...

> You said: “I'm not anti individual Masons as most Masons
> aren't told what the adepts of Freemasonry believe; they have
> to find it out for themselves. In fact, many Masons are
> deliberately misled.”
> My reaction:
> Do you mean to say that within masonry there is a scam within
> a scam as in that they all fool each other? And if so, where
> are they misled away from anyway, by whom, for what purpose?

Freemasonry, according to Albert Pike and Manly P. Hall, is two organisations within one:

"Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity - an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August (defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur') fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious Arcanum (defined as 'a secret, a mystery')." - Manly P. Hall, "Lectures on Ancient Philosophy" (contained in The Secret Teachings of All Ages)

"So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray... If you have been disappointed in the first three degrees, as you have received them... remember that... symbols were used, not to reveal but to conceal... The symbols and ceremonies of Masonry have more than one meaning. They rather conceal than disclose the Truth" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma,pp. 105-106; 148)

"The Blue Degrees [first, second and third] are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (the 28th degree and beyond)." [Morals and Dogma, p. 819]

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5]

"A Spirit that loves wisdom and contemplates the Truth close at hand, is forced to disguise it, to induce the multitudes [that is you] to accept it... Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason." [Morals and Dogma, p. 103]

The reason why Freemasonry misleads even its own, IMO, is because Freemasonry is one of many tools to usher in the NWO according to an esoteric doctrine that if it became widely known, would cause even more problems that the world is already facing, what with Islamic terrorist groups targetting the "Great Satan".

> You said: “I'm sure the original meaning of Osiris probably
> was different but I still don't believe this deity really had
> mankind’s interests at heart.
> My reaction:
> Erm, as far as I understand, Osiris was a symbol created by
> the AE that, over the centuries, went through several stages
> in it's meaning. How in heavens name can that be extrapolated
> into “Osiris did not had mankind’s interests at heart”.
> Aren’t you comparing apples and pears?
> Aren’t you putting to much reality into the Jesus myth?
> Check this
> for a reasonable easy to read story over the Osiris cult.

Thanks for the link which I've read along with countless other articles on Osiris... I've already expressed my opinion that the Osiris stroy was a reflection of the already existing Son of God, namely Jesus. IMO, humanity began to go wrong as soon as it put its trust in the Watchers who created the foundations for the civilisation we have today.

> You said: “I don't have much regard for Churchianity.”
> My reaction:
> Sheesh, I think we have found yet more common ground :-))



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Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 722 Kees 11-Mar-04 17:14
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 192 newrisingsun 11-Mar-04 19:08
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 196 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 241 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 20:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 198 David L 11-Mar-04 21:39
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 147 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:45
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 167 David L 12-Mar-04 18:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 172 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 186 David L 13-Mar-04 15:55
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 231 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 23:59
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 162 Milo 12-Mar-04 01:08
Word is Egyptian 201 Lee McGiffen 12-Mar-04 13:31
Linguistics, diffusion question 153 ananda 12-Mar-04 16:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 168 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:06
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 180 ArmchairObserver 12-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 184 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:02
Erm, thats a circle 181 Kees 13-Mar-04 13:05
Re: Erm, thats a circle 131 newrisingsun 13-Mar-04 14:09
Re: Erm, thats a circle 187 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 147 ArmchairObserver 14-Mar-04 06:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 151 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 156 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 13:24
You're post is goroundless ad hominem NRS 164 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:48
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 136 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 181 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 166 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 202 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 152 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 169 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 139 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:36
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 177 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:50
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 138 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:55
BTW... 162 Milo 15-Mar-04 22:58
Re: BTW... 205 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 23:26
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 171 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:54
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 162 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 188 Mark Staab 15-Mar-04 18:38
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 172 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 192 Dominick Ohrbeck 12-Mar-04 18:19
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 141 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 187 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:04
Re: Word is Egyptian 197 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Word is Egyptian 174 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 20:30
Re: Word is Egyptian 177 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 138 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 21:14
Re: Word is Egyptian 184 Milo 12-Mar-04 21:37
Re: Word is Egyptian 168 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 22:40
Re: Word is Egyptian 142 Milo 12-Mar-04 23:00
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 154 Dominick Ohrbeck 13-Mar-04 00:05
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 182 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 16:08
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 193 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 180 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:28
Re: Word is Egyptian 191 Sphinx 13-Mar-04 00:01
Re: Word is Egyptian 186 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 14:56
Re: Word is Egyptian 192 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 200 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:43
Re: Word is Egyptian 188 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:47
Re: Word is Egyptian 183 Milo 13-Mar-04 01:31
The Pendulum swings ... 177 Thirdwave 13-Mar-04 11:18
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 186 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 11:38
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 200 Thirdwave 14-Mar-04 00:54
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 175 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:48
Greatest twist ever 190 Kees 13-Mar-04 14:37
Re: Greatest twist ever 182 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:56
Re: Greatest twist ever 206 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:25
Re: Greatest twist ever 198 Milo 16-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Word is Egyptian 224 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 17:55
Re: Word is Egyptian 182 Nebankh 16-Mar-04 11:13
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 203 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:43
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 223 Sphinx 12-Mar-04 00:11
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 159 Milo 12-Mar-04 00:57
Please help me out 189 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Please help me out 146 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:04
Re: Please help me out 213 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:41
Re: Please help me out 175 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:13
Re: I need to add.... 183 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:46
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 231 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:17
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 195 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 186 Hoppy 11-Mar-04 21:50
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 183 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 22:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 148 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:35
1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 166 Dominick Ohrbeck 16-Mar-04 05:45
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 162 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 13:39
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 194 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 03:14
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 185 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:31
Oops, let' try those Sethite links again. 142 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:36
One more time.... 144 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:40
Re: One more time.... 144 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 20:24
Re: One more time.... 189 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 21:03
Re: One more time.... 217 Dominick Ohrbeck 25-Mar-04 19:48
Urantia/Urartia/Ur/Urani/Uranos 231 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 20:31
Re: Van People connection 191 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Van People connection 197 Dominick Ohrbeck 26-Mar-04 00:33
Re: Van People connection 365 Kboldt 26-Mar-04 13:31

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