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Hi Jag,

Yes, I think we are thinking along the same lines. I personally, don't like to use the word "pagan" for the ancient Gnostics. Pagan suggests that they worshipped a myriad of gods and performed rituals and sacrifices to these gods. I don't think this was the case with the "original Egyptians", or at least their leaders or Priests. The "pagan" worship was introduced later, no doubt......that seems to be the nature of mankind, never satisfied with worshipping and obeying the One True God.

As for Akhenaten, I 've read your post (good post) and I have heard these things also. Some want to equate Moses with Akhenaten, but I would suggest that he was the Pharaoh that gave Moses the hard time in Egypt. The Bible indicates that after Pharoah had lost his army in the Sea of Reeds or the Red Sea after persuing the Israelites, he finally surrendered to God and was converted. So it could have been him.

I think the ancients called their founding fathers "gods" in the same way the Bible uses the term "sons of God" to denote the ancient ancestors of the Hebrews. They weren't really gods in themselves but exhibited qualities of being the creation of God in His image.

In the KJV Bible we read:

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 38:4-7 (God speaking to Job)
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Then in the New Testament:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Before Adam's "Fall from the Garden", he was different, now whether he was a "being of light or not", I can only guess. He was "unspotted from the world". There was peace and harmony in the world in which he lived. He and Eve only knew to do "good" in the eyes of God.

Then the "Serpent" introduced "evil" to Eve and Adam. Now they would know to do BOTH good AND evil. I think it's rather a simple concept. It had nothing to do with worldly knowledge of the sciences, etc., it had to do with "spiritual" knowledge.

Now mankind has been desparately trying to "return" to his "original state" ever since. This is where the promise of the coming seed to Adam was. God told Adam that even though he had sinned and lost his former state of "harmony" with God and nature, that He was going to send a "saviour" to redeem Adam and his descendants in order to return them to their original state. Much of the Bible is about the restoration of God's Kingdom on Earth to where it was in ancient times. This is why is was so important to Adam and Seth and to build the Gizeh complex... so that he and his descendants would have a way to wait and watch for the "signs of the times" and the arrival of their saviour.

I gathered this from reading the Bible and The Lost Books of Eden, and the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus.

And as the ancient Egyptians called it, the time of Zep Tepi (the first time) - the golden age of peace and harmony.


Kind Regards,
Kimberly

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Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 720 Kees 11-Mar-04 17:14
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 192 newrisingsun 11-Mar-04 19:08
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 196 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 241 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 20:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 198 David L 11-Mar-04 21:39
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 146 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:45
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 166 David L 12-Mar-04 18:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 171 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 185 David L 13-Mar-04 15:55
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 230 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 23:59
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 161 Milo 12-Mar-04 01:08
Word is Egyptian 201 Lee McGiffen 12-Mar-04 13:31
Linguistics, diffusion question 153 ananda 12-Mar-04 16:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 168 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:06
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 179 ArmchairObserver 12-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 184 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:02
Erm, thats a circle 179 Kees 13-Mar-04 13:05
Re: Erm, thats a circle 130 newrisingsun 13-Mar-04 14:09
Re: Erm, thats a circle 187 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 147 ArmchairObserver 14-Mar-04 06:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 151 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 155 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 13:24
You're post is goroundless ad hominem NRS 163 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:48
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 135 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 181 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 166 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 201 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 152 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 169 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 139 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:36
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 176 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:50
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 138 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:55
BTW... 161 Milo 15-Mar-04 22:58
Re: BTW... 205 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 23:26
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 171 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:54
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 162 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 187 Mark Staab 15-Mar-04 18:38
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 171 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 192 Dominick Ohrbeck 12-Mar-04 18:19
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 140 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 187 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:04
Re: Word is Egyptian 197 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Word is Egyptian 174 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 20:30
Re: Word is Egyptian 176 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 136 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 21:14
Re: Word is Egyptian 182 Milo 12-Mar-04 21:37
Re: Word is Egyptian 167 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 22:40
Re: Word is Egyptian 142 Milo 12-Mar-04 23:00
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 153 Dominick Ohrbeck 13-Mar-04 00:05
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 181 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 16:08
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 193 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 178 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:28
Re: Word is Egyptian 191 Sphinx 13-Mar-04 00:01
Re: Word is Egyptian 185 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 14:56
Re: Word is Egyptian 191 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 199 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:43
Re: Word is Egyptian 188 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:47
Re: Word is Egyptian 182 Milo 13-Mar-04 01:31
The Pendulum swings ... 176 Thirdwave 13-Mar-04 11:18
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 186 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 11:38
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 200 Thirdwave 14-Mar-04 00:54
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 174 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:48
Greatest twist ever 189 Kees 13-Mar-04 14:37
Re: Greatest twist ever 182 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:56
Re: Greatest twist ever 206 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:25
Re: Greatest twist ever 198 Milo 16-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Word is Egyptian 222 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 17:55
Re: Word is Egyptian 182 Nebankh 16-Mar-04 11:13
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 202 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:43
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 223 Sphinx 12-Mar-04 00:11
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 159 Milo 12-Mar-04 00:57
Please help me out 189 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Please help me out 145 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:04
Re: Please help me out 208 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:41
Re: Please help me out 175 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:13
Re: I need to add.... 183 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:46
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 230 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:17
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 195 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 186 Hoppy 11-Mar-04 21:50
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 183 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 22:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 148 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:35
1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 166 Dominick Ohrbeck 16-Mar-04 05:45
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 161 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 13:39
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 193 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 03:14
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 183 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:31
Oops, let' try those Sethite links again. 142 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:36
One more time.... 144 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:40
Re: One more time.... 143 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 20:24
Re: One more time.... 188 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 21:03
Re: One more time.... 217 Dominick Ohrbeck 25-Mar-04 19:48
Urantia/Urartia/Ur/Urani/Uranos 231 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 20:31
Re: Van People connection 190 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 21:06
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