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Hi Kees,

I thought my ears were burning today! I don't know what else I can add that already hasn't been said in this post. I thought Sphinx and Kim gave very impressive replies.

Perhaps there is just one thing I can add... In Isaiah, it mentions how "the Word" percipitates down into man's consciousness, where it's processed and hopefully returns to source:

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:9-11

I would say that this cyclical process is one of the processes that has helped the pagan "saviour" stories come to us. As Lawrence Gardner has said, the "Grail" bloodline of royalty and rulership stretches back to the Anunaki. These are the Nephilm, the offspring of fallen angels and human women (this story is also told outside of the Biblical canon). These giants, "heroes of old" and "men of renown", as Genesis calls them, would have been very aware of "the Word" and of Jesus and it doesn't take much of a leap to figure out why most organised religions contain features that can be traced back to ancient Babylonian and Egyptian mystery school teachings because this is where it all began, where the Nephilim and their early royal descendents had their base, in the region of Sumer.

The Roman Church would not have come into existence without the considerable support of Emperor Constantine, the first throned "Chrisitian" who some maintain exploited Christianity for political purposes. It was Constantine who convened the Council of Nicaea. Its declared purpose was to decide on theological disputes which had arisen concerning the essence and nature of Christ!

It's also no coincidence that the head of the world wide body of the Church of England is Royalty.

In the East too, emperors have also historically been seen as the figure heads of religion. But even if we discount the possibilty of the royal blood lines originating back to ancient Sumer and the surrounding region, it's not difficult to show that the ancient Babylonian and Egyptian "secret faith" is still to this day guiding civilisation globally. The fingerprints of this "secret faith" are to be found in the symbols, rituals, regalia and "invisible societies" surrounding governement, of every sovereign state on earth. Jesus was right not to challenge Satan when Satan said all these kingdoms were his and to whomever he so desired he had the authority to give it. The book of Revelation also confirms this at the point where John sees an angel pour the contents of a bowl on Satan's throne:

"And the fifth one poured out his bowl upon the throne of the wild beast." - Revelation 16-10a

The pouring out of the bowl upon the throne of the wild beast involves a proclamation revealing the true role that the Dragon has played and still plays in supporting and promoting world governments. Revelation continues, showing the result of this proclamation:

"And its kingdom became darkened, and they began to gnaw their tongues for their pain, but they blasphemed the God of heaven for their pains and for their ulcers, and they did not repent of their works." - Revelation 16:10b-11

I said "hopefully", in the lead up to the verses from Isaiah above because at the present time not everything is returning back to God as intended. This is because false doctrines and creeds have sprung up all over the place like weeds choking a garden, thus syphoning off precious energy, which accounts for all of humanity's ills.

This startling situation was remarkably portrayed in John's vision on Patmos, where he saw the Lamb symbolically bleeding with a wound at the throne of God. This wound is the gap caused by the suffering of mankind due to "the Word" not returning back to God in its entirety. It is this gap or this abyss, to be more descriptive and accurate, that is the difference between the man-made common reality matrix and the natural, innocent, pure and unadulterated reality.

It is the abyss which "Milo" perceives, in the film "The Phantom Tollbooth", when he first sees the Castle in the Air. He wonders how on earth he's going to cross this abyss but he takes courage and like the fool, he puts one foot out into the canyon. A symbolic step in a staircase suddenly supports his feet. As Milo gains confidence, the staircase extends and delivers him to the Castle in the Air, where he hopes the Princesses of Ryhme and Reason can resolve mankinds squabbles.

We are all "Milos", just as we are all "Dorothys" or "Frodos". We can all make a connection to the Christ consciousness by letting go of our selfish and materialistic modes of thinking. It's an ongoing refinning spiritual process.

Our wound will begin to be healed as we enter this new consciousness, as John perceived symbolically in his visions, when the nations are cured by the leaves of the Trees of Life...

"And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations. And no more will there be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his slaves will render him sacred service; and they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads." - Revelation 22: 1-4

regards
Rob

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Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 724 Kees 11-Mar-04 17:14
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 192 newrisingsun 11-Mar-04 19:08
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 197 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 241 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 20:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 199 David L 11-Mar-04 21:39
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 147 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:45
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 167 David L 12-Mar-04 18:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 173 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 186 David L 13-Mar-04 15:55
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 231 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 23:59
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 162 Milo 12-Mar-04 01:08
Word is Egyptian 202 Lee McGiffen 12-Mar-04 13:31
Linguistics, diffusion question 153 ananda 12-Mar-04 16:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 169 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:06
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 181 ArmchairObserver 12-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 185 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:02
Erm, thats a circle 181 Kees 13-Mar-04 13:05
Re: Erm, thats a circle 131 newrisingsun 13-Mar-04 14:09
Re: Erm, thats a circle 188 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 148 ArmchairObserver 14-Mar-04 06:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 151 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 157 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 13:24
You're post is goroundless ad hominem NRS 164 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:48
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 136 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 181 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 166 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 202 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 153 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 170 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 139 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:36
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 177 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:50
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 138 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:55
BTW... 162 Milo 15-Mar-04 22:58
Re: BTW... 206 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 23:26
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 171 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:54
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 163 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 188 Mark Staab 15-Mar-04 18:38
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 172 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 193 Dominick Ohrbeck 12-Mar-04 18:19
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 141 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 187 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:04
Re: Word is Egyptian 197 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Word is Egyptian 174 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 20:30
Re: Word is Egyptian 177 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 138 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 21:14
Re: Word is Egyptian 184 Milo 12-Mar-04 21:37
Re: Word is Egyptian 169 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 22:40
Re: Word is Egyptian 143 Milo 12-Mar-04 23:00
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 154 Dominick Ohrbeck 13-Mar-04 00:05
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 183 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 16:08
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 194 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 180 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:28
Re: Word is Egyptian 192 Sphinx 13-Mar-04 00:01
Re: Word is Egyptian 186 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 14:56
Re: Word is Egyptian 192 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 200 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:43
Re: Word is Egyptian 188 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:47
Re: Word is Egyptian 183 Milo 13-Mar-04 01:31
The Pendulum swings ... 177 Thirdwave 13-Mar-04 11:18
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 186 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 11:38
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 201 Thirdwave 14-Mar-04 00:54
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 175 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:48
Greatest twist ever 190 Kees 13-Mar-04 14:37
Re: Greatest twist ever 183 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:56
Re: Greatest twist ever 206 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:25
Re: Greatest twist ever 199 Milo 16-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Word is Egyptian 224 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 17:55
Re: Word is Egyptian 183 Nebankh 16-Mar-04 11:13
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 203 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:43
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 224 Sphinx 12-Mar-04 00:11
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 159 Milo 12-Mar-04 00:57
Please help me out 190 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Please help me out 146 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:04
Re: Please help me out 213 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:41
Re: Please help me out 175 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:13
Re: I need to add.... 184 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:46
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 231 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:17
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 196 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 187 Hoppy 11-Mar-04 21:50
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 184 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 22:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 148 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:35
1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 166 Dominick Ohrbeck 16-Mar-04 05:45
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 163 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 13:39
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 194 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 03:14
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 185 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:31
Oops, let' try those Sethite links again. 142 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:36
One more time.... 144 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:40
Re: One more time.... 145 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 20:24
Re: One more time.... 190 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 21:03
Re: One more time.... 217 Dominick Ohrbeck 25-Mar-04 19:48
Urantia/Urartia/Ur/Urani/Uranos 232 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 20:31
Re: Van People connection 191 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Van People connection 197 Dominick Ohrbeck 26-Mar-04 00:33
Re: Van People connection 365 Kboldt 26-Mar-04 13:31


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