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I have to say I interpret the article differently to you. The quotes of De Vere are direct quotes. You haven't proved the author is lying. Although, you say he is technically lying, you fail to prove how. After stating that he's lying, you shift your postion by saying, he's abusing quotes to bolster his story. Abusing quotes is another issue. That's not lying. So, let's look at this abuse you suggest. The author states, "Aware of these charges, Laurence Gardner and Nicholas de Vere have tried to clear the record. They've acknowledged that vampirism does take place at their rituals, but maintain that they only drink the blood of their own family members, who participate willingly." I don't see any abuse in that statement. As you have brought Lawrence Gardner into the discussion (I avoided that by only dealing with the De Vere quotes and I haven't said that Gardner takes part in these rituals, although he might), perhaps the best thing to do is ask him by email when he posts on the forum. I shall do the same and we'll see what answer we get. That is the sensible thing to do, rather than jump to conclusions, which is what you appear to be doing.

I admit that throwing the Gardner quote into the middle of it all was a bit of a fast one and I was aware of that, which is why I didn't bring Gardner into the arena.

You wrote:

"The Dagobert's revenge article states: "The orthodox establishment's fear of Dracula," writes, Gardner, "was not his treatment of enemies but his in-depth knowledge of alchemy, kingship and the ancient Star Fire customs."

I don't see what's so controversial about that!c

Nicholas De Vere had his own Website from which the material could have come from but the Website disappeared after he had a bust up with Lawrence Gardner, accusing him of plagiarising his own work. It was not a pretty affair.

Lawrence Gardner gave a lecture ("The Bloodline, Starfire and the Anunnaki") in 1998. The transcript is available online here:

[www.dudeman.net]

In this lecture, Gardner says more or less the same thing as Nichloas De Vere! Here are some quotes from the lecture:

"In the Christian religion, in contrast, it's actually customary to take, in what we know of as the Mass, which takes us through a ritual of pretending to be drinking blood. We drink blood from a chalice. Why a chalice??? This is "Grail Lore" coming into play. This is the old cup of the Jew, the "Holy Waters". Jews can't and will not eat blood, if they're observing the faith. The Christians pretend to, the blood, the messianic line, this is my blood, the blood of Jesus, the drinking of the wine. So, could it be, one wonders, that this Christian tradition was actually more right than the Jewish tradition in terms of old law. Maybe, the Christian tradition of pretending to drink blood is a throw back, a real throw back, to some really ancient custom. Before the days of Noah. Could that be?

Well, as it turns out it is. It is exactly that. The other interesting thing, is that we discover that every time, what we might think of as blood drinking or blood eating as referred to in the early days, in the deity stories, the sign that always gets presented to us is the red cross in the circle. Now, crosses in circles mean alot of things. But, red crosses in circles were always tied up with this particular ritual, the "Cup of the Water", the "Rosicrucians". However, it's always a cup, it's always a chalice that's involved. And from Bloodline of the Holy Grail, what we learnt through our investigations, was that the "Chalice" was the ultimate, ultimate, symbol of the female."

Further down, Gardner continues:

"The "Rosicrucians" the "Dew Cup", the mark of the later "Rosicrucians", is all based upon the "Star Fire Ritual". It is why the Christian church without knowing it, takes us through a ceremony that it doesn't understand when it pretends to drink blood from the "Chalice" (laughing). There are all sorts of names, it was "Nectars of the Gods". It was "Gold of the Gods". It was also called, the Ceremony of the Light".

Continuing further down:

"The light, it is said, exists in everybody. You simply have to be awakened. There are various ways of awakening it. But, the natural way, we are told, in the oldest records that I can find, is simply by will. Self will is the route to the light. A thought free consciousness. A plane of pure being. And, they called this plain of pure being "the Plane of Sharon". It was, actually, this very concept of being, being through the "Star Fire", being "I am that I am", that became the problem for Jehovah, when the edit against blood was issued."

Continuing further down:

"As we meet here tonight, on this very night there is taking place, maybe it's over now, I doubt it very much knowing these guys. Starting about midday, at Boston University, a symposium of authors and historians from all around the world, to which I was invited. The Chairman Prof. Raymond McNally had called the meeting, to commemorate the public occasion of Bram Stoker's famous book Dracula. 1897, it was published. It's not generally known, that Bram Stoker who wrote this book, was an officer in the "Emperial Court of the Dragons", (laughing). He is also prominent, as an "Officer in the Ordo Templi Orientas". The order of the eastern temple, the most sacred and scientific branch of any "Templar" organisation in the world, who were originally with the "Essene" blood brotherhood of Qumran. The Motto of this order, is "God is Man".

A lot will be discussed at the meeting today, tonight. But, the main reason for calling the meeting, was not just to celebrate the publication of a book. It was that Bram Stoker's own papers, on this centenary, are going to be published. These are the papers, which actually tell us finally, the ultimate codes beneath which this adventurous Gothic Romance, impart the secrets of alchemical, from the early "Mystery Schools". The book, Dracula, is a book of codes! And, I might have something more to say on that one, if I get back here again, and don't get bitten by a vampire (laughing)."

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It's a long essay but it's essentially what De Vere was saying.

Rob

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