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Hi smetters,

Thanks for your reply. You asked quite a few questions so I hope you don't mind if I quote your post in parts...

> Firstly I do not think that knowledge is something to be
> frightened of so why is it that the Serpent is considered
> evil by Christianity?

Knowledge is inanimate, neutral and therefore can't be evil per se. But what's done with knowldege can result in either good or evil.

The Serpent is considered evil by Christianity because the NT states that the Serpent is Satan.

"The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." - Revelation 12:9

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" - Genesis 3:1

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death." - Proverbs 14:12

In other words, many are deceived because the deceit is subtle or cleverly hidden.

> Secondly:- In the West we generally
> elect our rulers in a democratic process; are you implying
> that we are being manipulated and it does not matter whether
> we elect a Labour or Conservative P.M. we are going to end
> being pushed into a world Government because of power behind
> the scenes?

That is the general gist of it. There are many books that outline in great detail how our democratic process has been hijacked by a hidden agenda, books like The Rulers of Evil by Tupper Saussy, Rule by Secrecy by Jim Marrs and Vatican Assassins by Eric Phelps

> I have come across the W.W. Gov before but it has always been
> a bit more sinister more about power and control of the
> masses without any room for humanitarian goals. I suppose
> you have read David Ike on that subject? IMHO he is a little
> extreme but you can’t throw the baby out with the bath
> water.

I have read David Icke's books. He's quite extreme but I do agree that the result of a NWO, if it were allowed to become a reality, would be more sinister than I outlined in my original post. I just didn't want to scare monger!

> I have to admit though that I like the idea of
> mankind leaving behind our corporeal beings and being pure
> matter (very Star Trek :-)). It has appealed to me for some
> years but I also think that we need to deserve it in a karma
> kind of way.

I agree.

> However, I am not so sure that you can rule
> out science and the esoteric because at some point they meet
> up. It is those who are running the science projects that
> may prevent that. I love physics and astronomy and I think
> that we are just at the tip of the iceberg with discoveries
> e.g. String Theory leaves a lot of room for dimensions and
> “thought” matter although I am no expert. I know several
> physicists who are deeply religious/esoteric because they are
> so in awe of the universe. Sorry all that was a little deep.

It wasn't too deep at all and again I agree with you.

> One last question - if the “Lucifers” want us to stay on the
> material level then they must know that we can be something
> else. By combating it they are acknowledging it. But why?
> Wouldn’t it be nice to be a being of thought and spirit? Why
> are they so scared of it? Does it come down to power again?

The reason is this... originally they were meant to guide mankind and to be our servants, showing us the way back to God. However, they rebelled. Because these beings were much older than God's new creation, ie, us, these Beings felt insulted that they should be servants to the new kids on the block, so out of pride they rebelled and ever since they have been trying to prevent us from returning back to God.

> P.S. Have you read Cracking the Apocalypse Code? Can’t
> remember the authors – not good with names.

I haven't read it... do you have a short summary?

thanks!
Rob

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Mysticism and Knights Templars 628 Melusine 26-Feb-04 04:39
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Smokescreen for science and wealth? 241 ananda 02-Mar-04 15:46
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 238 Milo 02-Mar-04 19:19
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 251 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 20:24
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 233 Milo 02-Mar-04 20:58
I forgot to add... 263 Milo 02-Mar-04 21:05
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Superiority raises its ugly head 224 Archietype 03-Mar-04 08:12
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Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 284 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:42
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Over the Rainbow... 316 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:26
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