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It depends what you define as Devil worship Alatariel and what precisely goes on in the inner sanctum of Freemasonry. It's just not a subject I care to talk about.

On the lighter side and in reference to your remark about Jesus and his alledged marriage, for Jesus to remain celibate would not have been an insurmountable problem 2000 years ago. There were already men practising celibacy 2000 years ago in the region that Jesus lived in. Many Essenes were celibate, for example and Jesus was well known for his tendency to flaunt certain cultural conventions!

The Gospels of Mary and Thomas do not discuss Jesus' marriage. In fact, when you study the words with a good magnifying glass, they show the opposite is the case.

You mentioned that in Jesus' time, it was Jewish custom for only the bridegroom to be concerned with the organisation of the wine but the account in John, which I think you're refering to, does not say that Jesus was the organiser, it simply says that he changed water to wine when the real stuff had run out. Also, if Jesus was the one getting married, why wasn't it reported? It simply doesn't make sense to say Jesus was the one getting married.

I have no problem with Jesus, if he'd have married but there's hardly any evidence that he did because the claim is be based on speculation.

regards
Rob

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Mysticism and Knights Templars 624 Melusine 26-Feb-04 04:39
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Smokescreen for science and wealth? 239 ananda 02-Mar-04 15:46
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Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 250 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 20:24
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I forgot to add... 262 Milo 02-Mar-04 21:05
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Superiority raises its ugly head 221 Archietype 03-Mar-04 08:12
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Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 283 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:42
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 245 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:10
Over the Rainbow... 313 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:26
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