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I don't think the Knights Templar found anything in particular. I think they made up a lot of stuff in order to make people think they did, when in reality they were about something else entirely. That something was protecting new learning and ideas and the people who were doing the work to keep science, free thinking, and a better society alive.

This was not easy because of the way wealth and power were distributed and held by church and monarchies, and since church and state were not separate and both held power and armies, this alliance was hard to overcome when it decided to destroy a "heretical" group, a powerful outspoken person, or a wealthy group. Ultimately, even the Knights Templar did not survive it because they amassed so much wealth that they became the bankers for church and monarchs, who eventually decided it was easier to destroy the KT than to pay the debts.

The same almost happened with the Medicis and Florence, which was ultimately saved by a member of a French secret society, probably Rosicrucian but it's hard to tell.

You're right when you say that secret societies have morphed over time and are not now what they were designed to be originally. In fact, I would say that they're just the opposite. Instead of being secret protectors of enlightenment, free thinking, learning, and a more just society, they are bastions of rightwing conservatism and a very unequal distribution of wealth in the hands of their own members, much of which is disguised by "charity." Sad.

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Mysticism and Knights Templars 615 Melusine 26-Feb-04 04:39
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 319 Mark Staab 26-Feb-04 05:21
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 249 Melusine 26-Feb-04 13:31
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 254 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 15:52
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 209 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:23
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 285 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:35
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 283 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:58
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 250 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:28
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 324 Milo 26-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 243 Melusine 26-Feb-04 21:06
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 248 Milo 26-Feb-04 21:13
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 351 Melusine 28-Feb-04 17:41
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 239 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:11
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 256 Melusine 28-Feb-04 18:21
Will do, thanks! n/t 266 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:29
Smokescreen for science and wealth? 237 ananda 02-Mar-04 15:46
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 235 Milo 02-Mar-04 19:19
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 247 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 20:24
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 230 Milo 02-Mar-04 20:58
I forgot to add... 256 Milo 02-Mar-04 21:05
Re: I forgot to add... 289 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 21:28
Superiority raises its ugly head 219 Archietype 03-Mar-04 08:12
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 261 Milo 03-Mar-04 15:10
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 267 Archietype 04-Mar-04 17:25
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 253 Milo 04-Mar-04 17:48
Re: writing 321 Archietype 04-Mar-04 18:31
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 250 Mark Staab 04-Mar-04 18:08
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 277 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:42
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 240 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:10
Over the Rainbow... 311 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:26
Re: Over the Rainbow... 309 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:39
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 272 Lee McGiffen 04-Mar-04 09:32
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 258 Melusine 04-Mar-04 09:48
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 327 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:13
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 259 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:04
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 309 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:07
My two cents... 283 Milo 04-Mar-04 16:16
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Re: My two cents... 224 Melusine 04-Mar-04 21:46
Re: My two cents... 169 Milo 04-Mar-04 22:32
On further thought... 243 Milo 05-Mar-04 06:08
Re: On further thought... 291 Melusine 06-Mar-04 15:29
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Re: My two cents too 197 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:30
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Re: My two cents too 271 debraregypt 10-Mar-04 01:08
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Re: My two cents too 279 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 15:01
Big Misunderstanding!!! 290 Milo 10-Mar-04 16:59
Re: Big Misunderstanding!!! 265 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 17:36
Some more cents... 224 Anthony Taylor 09-Mar-04 19:37
Re: Some more cents... 231 Milo 09-Mar-04 20:12
Re: Some more cents... 245 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:22
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 177 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:23
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 255 Milo 05-Mar-04 02:36
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 288 smetters 05-Mar-04 13:31
The Message of the Marriage of Cana 304 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 17:08
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 231 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:37
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 206 Mark Staab 10-Mar-04 01:42
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 247 Melusine 11-Mar-04 01:52
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 246 Mark Staab 11-Mar-04 07:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 290 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 16:35
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 245 smetters 10-Mar-04 10:45
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 223 smetters 09-Mar-04 15:18
I for got this part... 306 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 18:03
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Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 243 ananda 04-Mar-04 13:10
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 232 smetters 04-Mar-04 13:34
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 295 ananda 02-Mar-04 23:14
Feudalism is still with us, thanks to the secret socieites 291 Milo 02-Mar-04 23:40
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Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 318 ananda 03-Mar-04 03:36
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Templar Cross at Temple of Karnak, Egypt 209 fisherman 15-Mar-04 23:50
fixed link 210 Dominick Ohrbeck 12-Mar-04 18:09
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