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Dear Melusine


Sorry I am a little new to the site so if I say anything out of turn or put my comments in the wrong part of the thread then please bear with me. Also my spelling is appalling so I apologize in advance! I am afraid that my comments won't be on a mystical nature either although I think that side of it is fascinating too.

I have read quite a few books on subjects that get interwoven with the Templars including the role of women, the Magdalene Cult, Isis cults, Prieure de Sion, Rennes Le Chateau etc etc. I am no expert though. I would like to say though that I am not taking this from a religious point of view nor I am saying that these are completely my opinions. The information out there is way too fuzzy for me to start stating things like they are given facts!

I have not come across the Daughters of God before although I am not surprised that such an organisation existed. Thank you for directing me to them. The Templars were a fascinating lot and there are lots of hints that women were more important than it seems at first glance. I need to quickly expand that with some general history if you don’t mind.

The role of women has always played an important if understated part in English history which, of course, (English history that is) is not the be all and end all. English history has been somewhat clouded by Victorian values which was a reaction to the Regency period that preceded it. The latter being a rather risqué time of Lord “mad bad and dangerous to know” Byron and his many open affairs. The reason why I brought this up is that the traditional view of women in the middle ages is one of submissive pawns in a power game which is not wholly accurate. Two examples to counter this spring to mind; Richard II of England made a court lady (sorry can’t remember her name) a Duchess in her own right and then of course there is Eleanor of Aquitaine. She went on the 2nd Crusade, ruled her sons, Richard the Lionheart and John (Magna Carta) with an iron fist and led a rebellion against her husband Henry II of England. She also came from a court in France that was positively trend setting. Her father blazed the trail for the fashion of Courtly Love and troubadours where women were put on a pedestal and worshiped from afar (how nice….). Incidentally the Grail stories began to flourish at about the same time.

Back to the Templars – If one goes with the theory (and there are many variations on this theme) that they were the physical arm of Prieure de Sion; that they believed/believe that Jesus was married to Mary and had a daughter who grew up in what is now France; she, in turn, started a line of kings (of whom some people argue Eleanor’s father was one descendent) whose blood line is still alive and well, then the role of women for those “in the know” was vital. I know that this smacks of The Da Vinci Code and the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail but if (and only if) they are right in some of their theories then a similar female order in “sister hood” to the Templars is not all that surprising. Admittedly the article in question is more about the spiritualism and symbols of the Orders and the link between the two seems to be suggested rather than definite. However, it does fit in with in with the importance of women and the role they played in these theories.

Okay that’s it for my little spiel, thanks for reading and I am now ducking for cover.

Smetters

P.S. Don’t get me started on the Freemasons!

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Mysticism and Knights Templars 600 Melusine 26-Feb-04 04:39
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 313 Mark Staab 26-Feb-04 05:21
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 244 Melusine 26-Feb-04 13:31
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 247 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 15:52
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 196 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:23
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 282 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:35
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 280 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:58
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 239 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:28
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 310 Milo 26-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 237 Melusine 26-Feb-04 21:06
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 245 Milo 26-Feb-04 21:13
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 347 Melusine 28-Feb-04 17:41
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 232 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:11
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 249 Melusine 28-Feb-04 18:21
Will do, thanks! n/t 254 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:29
Smokescreen for science and wealth? 230 ananda 02-Mar-04 15:46
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 229 Milo 02-Mar-04 19:19
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 242 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 20:24
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 225 Milo 02-Mar-04 20:58
I forgot to add... 242 Milo 02-Mar-04 21:05
Re: I forgot to add... 285 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 21:28
Superiority raises its ugly head 216 Archietype 03-Mar-04 08:12
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 257 Milo 03-Mar-04 15:10
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 264 Archietype 04-Mar-04 17:25
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 249 Milo 04-Mar-04 17:48
Re: writing 316 Archietype 04-Mar-04 18:31
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 246 Mark Staab 04-Mar-04 18:08
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 272 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:42
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 235 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:10
Over the Rainbow... 306 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:26
Re: Over the Rainbow... 306 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:39
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 268 Lee McGiffen 04-Mar-04 09:32
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 253 Melusine 04-Mar-04 09:48
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 322 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:13
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 255 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:04
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 303 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:07
My two cents... 278 Milo 04-Mar-04 16:16
Re: My two cents... 248 Kboldt 04-Mar-04 18:09
Re: My two cents... 187 Milo 04-Mar-04 19:23
Re: My two cents... 212 Kboldt 04-Mar-04 19:32
Re: My two cents... 297 Milo 04-Mar-04 20:30
Re: My two cents... 283 Melusine 05-Mar-04 09:30
Re: My two cents... 186 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 13:49
Re: My two cents... 220 Melusine 04-Mar-04 21:46
Re: My two cents... 165 Milo 04-Mar-04 22:32
On further thought... 238 Milo 05-Mar-04 06:08
Re: On further thought... 288 Melusine 06-Mar-04 15:29
Re: On further thought... 236 Milo 06-Mar-04 16:55
Re: My two cents too 194 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:30
Re: My two cents too 220 Milo 05-Mar-04 02:09
Re: My two cents too 222 debraregypt 07-Mar-04 17:27
Re: My two cents too 205 Milo 07-Mar-04 18:31
Re: My two cents too 283 Melusine 09-Mar-04 07:41
Re: My two cents too 269 Milo 09-Mar-04 08:07
Re: My two cents too 222 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 08:56
Re: My two cents too 239 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:13
Re: My two cents too 267 debraregypt 10-Mar-04 01:08
Re: My two cents too 234 Milo 10-Mar-04 01:19
Re: My two cents too 273 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 15:01
Big Misunderstanding!!! 287 Milo 10-Mar-04 16:59
Re: Big Misunderstanding!!! 260 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 17:36
Some more cents... 211 Anthony Taylor 09-Mar-04 19:37
Re: Some more cents... 226 Milo 09-Mar-04 20:12
Re: Some more cents... 237 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:22
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 174 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:23
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 250 Milo 05-Mar-04 02:36
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 285 smetters 05-Mar-04 13:31
The Message of the Marriage of Cana 299 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 17:08
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 261 smetters 05-Mar-04 17:30
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 218 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 13:52
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 257 smetters 08-Mar-04 17:47
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 281 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 19:49
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 306 Alatariel 08-Mar-04 22:40
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 286 Melusine 09-Mar-04 08:20
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 302 smetters 09-Mar-04 13:27
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 254 Kboldt 09-Mar-04 13:45
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 207 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 15:02
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 306 smetters 09-Mar-04 15:31
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 250 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 15:57
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 271 smetters 09-Mar-04 16:54
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 225 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:37
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 202 Mark Staab 10-Mar-04 01:42
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 243 Melusine 11-Mar-04 01:52
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 239 Mark Staab 11-Mar-04 07:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 283 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 16:35
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 163 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:32
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 242 smetters 10-Mar-04 10:45
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 218 smetters 09-Mar-04 15:18
I for got this part... 293 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 18:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 296 Milo 05-Mar-04 18:21
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 258 Alatariel 07-Mar-04 03:16
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 214 David L 07-Mar-04 05:30
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 292 Melusine 11-Mar-04 02:05
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 307 Alatariel 07-Mar-04 15:58
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 286 Nebankh 07-Mar-04 22:30
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 239 Melusine 11-Mar-04 04:00
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 229 ananda 04-Mar-04 13:10
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 227 smetters 04-Mar-04 13:34
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 292 ananda 02-Mar-04 23:14
Feudalism is still with us, thanks to the secret socieites 287 Milo 02-Mar-04 23:40
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 227 Melusine 03-Mar-04 03:01
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 312 ananda 03-Mar-04 03:36
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Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 289 Melusine 04-Mar-04 09:52
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Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 215 Melusine 04-Mar-04 19:54
Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 209 Milo 04-Mar-04 20:28
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 233 smetters 03-Mar-04 20:49
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 238 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:52
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 272 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:57
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 206 Alatariel 08-Mar-04 00:03
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Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 340 smetters 04-Mar-04 13:45
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Templar Cross at Temple of Karnak, Egypt 204 fisherman 15-Mar-04 23:50
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