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Hi Sunbeam,

Thanks for that story and it goes to show that there is something spiritual in the psyche of man that we inherited rather than learnt...

Life on earth is all decay and renewel and that applies to our thought processes too and the only concept I can find that makes sense of this seemingly pointless cycle is the saviour motif that echoes throughout creation.

"Does all that blossoms, that breathes, that lives and lives again, live only to mourn, ah! and to weep?"

In Wagner's opera "Parsifal", Gurnemanz, a wise knight, admonishes Parsifal on Good Friday morning, for his innocent outbreak of pity for nature, with this beautifully sung reply:

You see, that's not how it is!
It is the tears of repentant sinners,
that fall like holy dew today to moisten field and meadow;
thus making them fertile.

Now all creatures rejoice in visible signs of the Redeemer,
to whom they dedicate their prayers.
Since they cannot see Him on the Cross,
they look up instead to man redeemed;
who feels free from dread and the burden of sin
because of God's pure, loving sacrifice.
The grass and flowers of the meadows
notice that the foot of man does not
trample them today, but that,
as God with heavenly patience had mercy and suffered for man,
so mankind today in pious gratitude spares nature with gentle tread.

Then all creatures give thanks,
all that blooms and soon will fade,
nature now absolved from sin
today enjoys its day of innocence.

You can listen to the Gurnemanz's monologue of the Good Friday Music here:

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This debate over whether Jesus is the orignal saviour, I think has caught us all of guard and in our clamour to prove the unproveable, we are forgetting the grace that the story bestowes on our creation, which we are all a part of.

Just my thoughts!

regards
Rob

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