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Hi Jaq,

You wrote and quoted:

"Note also that immediately after the miracle:

"The governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse; but thou hast kept the good wine until now." (John 2:9-10). These words would seem to be addressed to Jesus, such that Jesus and the bridegroom are one and the same."

The govenor is addressing the Bridegroom but I don't think he's addressing Jesus because a) it doesn't say so and b) because, although Jesus produced the better wine, it doesn't necessarily follow that Jesus was in charge of it's distribution or of keeping the good wine till last.

You quoted the following from halexandria.org. I'll go though it with some comments:

"In the Fourth Gospel of John, there is the wedding at Cana. To this wedding Jesus is specifically "called" -- which is slightly curious, since he had not yet embarked on his ministry.

Anyone can be "called" to a wedding. A simple invitation is a calling.

"More curious still, however, is the fact that his mother "just happens" as it were, to be present as well. In fact, her presence would seem to be taken for granted."

It's not surprising that Jesus' mother was present with Jesus. Jesus was oviously close to his mother and maybe his mother was also a friend of one the couple that were getting married?

"The plot thickens when it is Mary (Jesus' mother) who not merely suggests to her son, but in effect orders him to replenish the wine. She behaves quite as if she were the hostess. It is also noteworthy that the servants comply with Mary and Jesus' orders."

This again is only specualtion and why doesn't the account simply say that it was Jesus who was getting married?

"One might also wonder if Jesus' first major miracle, the transmutation of water into wine, could have been used for such a banal purpose as some obscure village wedding. And why should two "guests" at a wedding take on themselves the responsibility of catering -- a responsibility that, by custom, should be reserved for the host?"

We don't know that in every wedding the host took responsibility for the catering.

If Jesus was the person getting married, why did his disciples, in the Gnostic Gospel of Philip, show surprise that he was showing affection towards Mary and if Jesus was married, why didn't he set the record straight? He didn't though, he just said it was because she had "light".

regards
Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 628 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 159 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 156 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 161 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 174 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 187 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 176 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 208 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 202 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 207 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 196 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 188 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 197 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 214 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 225 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 204 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 214 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 190 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 205 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 160 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 225 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 194 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 239 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 168 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 237 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 174 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 222 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 196 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 185 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 169 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 167 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 171 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 166 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 174 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 174 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 183 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 178 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 185 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 170 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 171 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 145 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 199 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 208 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 163 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 201 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 201 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 213 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 192 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 154 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 186 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 175 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 165 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 151 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 179 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 172 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 175 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 158 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 205 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 171 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 186 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 188 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 187 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 186 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 197 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 176 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 199 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 170 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 200 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 198 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 207 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 206 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 148 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 200 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 218 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 208 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 196 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 164 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 196 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 164 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 171 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 190 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 185 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 175 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 260 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 184 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 265 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 173 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 242 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 161 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 240 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 231 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 174 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 221 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 303 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 192 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 184 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 219 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 215 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 249 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 204 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 199 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 226 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 262 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 208 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 178 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 182 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 201 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 233 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 219 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 211 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 174 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 159 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 221 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 204 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 203 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 171 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 190 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 198 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 203 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 166 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 192 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 188 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 174 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 179 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 178 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 175 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 178 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 218 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 203 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 190 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 188 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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