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Hi Jaq,

You wrote and quoted:

"Note also that immediately after the miracle:

"The governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse; but thou hast kept the good wine until now." (John 2:9-10). These words would seem to be addressed to Jesus, such that Jesus and the bridegroom are one and the same."

The govenor is addressing the Bridegroom but I don't think he's addressing Jesus because a) it doesn't say so and b) because, although Jesus produced the better wine, it doesn't necessarily follow that Jesus was in charge of it's distribution or of keeping the good wine till last.

You quoted the following from halexandria.org. I'll go though it with some comments:

"In the Fourth Gospel of John, there is the wedding at Cana. To this wedding Jesus is specifically "called" -- which is slightly curious, since he had not yet embarked on his ministry.

Anyone can be "called" to a wedding. A simple invitation is a calling.

"More curious still, however, is the fact that his mother "just happens" as it were, to be present as well. In fact, her presence would seem to be taken for granted."

It's not surprising that Jesus' mother was present with Jesus. Jesus was oviously close to his mother and maybe his mother was also a friend of one the couple that were getting married?

"The plot thickens when it is Mary (Jesus' mother) who not merely suggests to her son, but in effect orders him to replenish the wine. She behaves quite as if she were the hostess. It is also noteworthy that the servants comply with Mary and Jesus' orders."

This again is only specualtion and why doesn't the account simply say that it was Jesus who was getting married?

"One might also wonder if Jesus' first major miracle, the transmutation of water into wine, could have been used for such a banal purpose as some obscure village wedding. And why should two "guests" at a wedding take on themselves the responsibility of catering -- a responsibility that, by custom, should be reserved for the host?"

We don't know that in every wedding the host took responsibility for the catering.

If Jesus was the person getting married, why did his disciples, in the Gnostic Gospel of Philip, show surprise that he was showing affection towards Mary and if Jesus was married, why didn't he set the record straight? He didn't though, he just said it was because she had "light".

regards
Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 833 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 301 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 261 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 228 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 231 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 235 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 249 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 250 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 245 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 281 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 276 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 273 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 266 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 261 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 270 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 279 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 298 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 278 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 279 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 265 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 271 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 225 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 293 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 266 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 306 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 242 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 299 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 252 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 287 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 255 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 242 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 235 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 249 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 232 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 245 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 251 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 246 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 254 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 247 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 253 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 242 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 245 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 217 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 268 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 279 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 242 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 271 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 285 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 265 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 229 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 255 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 256 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 232 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 222 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 244 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 232 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 241 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 230 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 280 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 236 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 264 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 261 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 257 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 257 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 252 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 267 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 246 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 243 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 243 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 266 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 276 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 280 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 266 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 281 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 274 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 252 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 223 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 276 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 288 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 276 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 276 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 276 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 241 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 275 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
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Re: And by the way... 236 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 240 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 256 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 259 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 243 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 343 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 254 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 346 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 240 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 330 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 228 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
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Re: And by the way... 244 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
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Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 261 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 254 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 287 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 277 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 296 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 332 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 269 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 275 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 249 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 248 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 267 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 248 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 299 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 286 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 263 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 273 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 240 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 229 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 292 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 264 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 237 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 258 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 259 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
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Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 221 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 254 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 249 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 243 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 228 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 249 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 244 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
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Hmmm... 286 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
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Re: Hmmm... 251 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 255 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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