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Milo wrote:

> "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
> and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
> Through him all things were made; without him nothing was
> made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was
> the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the
> darkness has not understood it." - John 1
>
> Isaiah 55:
>
> 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
> so are my ways higher than your ways
> and my thoughts than your thoughts.
> 10 As the rain and the snow
> come down from heaven,
> and do not return to it
> without watering the earth
> and making it bud and flourish,
> so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
> 11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
> It will not return to me empty,
> but will accomplish what I desire
> and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
>
> Spiritual traditions develop when spiritually aware people
> grasp some aspect they see in the spirit and translate it
> into symbols, words and systems, etc. Some of these may be
> accurate, some may not, some may even be dangerous for the
> unprepared.
>

> Rob


Hi Rob,

I agree with the thread of your post rea Jesus's Presence existing before his physical presence on earth began. I also agree that Ananda has not proved her point that Christianity is simply a borrowing from lots of older religions (through that one at Drak1 one about Islam and you mind find yourself accused of being anti-Islam).

To digress, I have read the argument that Humankind's desire to seek a spiritual side to their being is God's marker or barcode, if you will, on all of humankind. This analogy would reinforce your idea of Jesus's presence existing on earth prior to his arrival.

The reason I have left your quote from the Bible in is to make a simple point. If you find a sophisticated concept existing in a text from ancient history (or history with John) does this not beg a question. Where did this concept come from. How did human beings in all their primitiveness conjure this idea of Heavens and an alternate plan of existence. I ask this question because it does seem to me an intuitive leap in primitive reasoning. It is more like Divine inspiration. Or perhaps a Divine marker.

Paul

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 698 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 243 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 212 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 177 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 177 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 184 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 191 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 200 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 194 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 227 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 222 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 225 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 215 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 217 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 241 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 229 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 214 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 220 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 175 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 244 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 214 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 254 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 189 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 251 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 199 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 239 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 220 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 187 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 182 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 206 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 193 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 204 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 199 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 204 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 191 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 194 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 168 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 217 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 226 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 215 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 223 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 234 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 215 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 181 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 203 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 202 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 182 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 170 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 192 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 184 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 176 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 228 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 185 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 209 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 210 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 204 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 207 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 202 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 217 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 214 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 222 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 226 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 198 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 225 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 235 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 217 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 187 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 236 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 185 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 188 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 206 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 206 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 198 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 280 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 205 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 284 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 193 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 261 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 175 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 258 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 251 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 197 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 239 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 339 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 240 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 238 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 271 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 221 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 226 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 245 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 283 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 217 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 222 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 200 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 196 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 217 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 199 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 247 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 236 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 228 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 222 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 177 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 243 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 219 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 192 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 212 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 217 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 221 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 180 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 204 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 199 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 197 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 193 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 194 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 235 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 224 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 205 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 203 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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