> "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
> and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
> Through him all things were made; without him nothing was
> made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was
> the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the
> darkness has not understood it." - John 1
> Isaiah 55:
> 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
> so are my ways higher than your ways
> and my thoughts than your thoughts.
> 10 As the rain and the snow
> come down from heaven,
> and do not return to it
> without watering the earth
> and making it bud and flourish,
> so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
> 11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
> It will not return to me empty,
> but will accomplish what I desire
> and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
> Spiritual traditions develop when spiritually aware people
> grasp some aspect they see in the spirit and translate it
> into symbols, words and systems, etc. Some of these may be
> accurate, some may not, some may even be dangerous for the
I agree with the thread of your post rea Jesus's Presence existing before his physical presence on earth began. I also agree that Ananda has not proved her point that Christianity is simply a borrowing from lots of older religions (through that one at Drak1 one about Islam and you mind find yourself accused of being anti-Islam).
To digress, I have read the argument that Humankind's desire to seek a spiritual side to their being is God's marker or barcode, if you will, on all of humankind. This analogy would reinforce your idea of Jesus's presence existing on earth prior to his arrival.
The reason I have left your quote from the Bible in is to make a simple point. If you find a sophisticated concept existing in a text from ancient history (or history with John) does this not beg a question. Where did this concept come from. How did human beings in all their primitiveness conjure this idea of Heavens and an alternate plan of existence. I ask this question because it does seem to me an intuitive leap in primitive reasoning. It is more like Divine inspiration. Or perhaps a Divine marker.