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ananda wrote:
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> Actually, no, it's not down to opinion or personal beliefs.

I think you misunderstood me because I said, "At the end of the day", meaning the overall debate over whether we believe in the concept of Jesus as taught in the NT.

> I was honestly trying to have a discussion about various
> religious histories and factual evidence, not just belief
> systems.

I have introduced facts into this thread. For example:

Let's take the book that sunbeam referenced as an exmple. There are fundamental problems with Acharya's thesis in her books "The Christ Conspiracy" and "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled". Acharya claims that the the 12 tribes of Israel are representative of the 12 signs of the zodiac and that each of the 12 apostles is associated with each of the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

She also claims that the 12 stones, representing the tribes that Jacob set up, were actually representing the 12 signs of the zodiac but this isn't possible because the book of Genesis was written long before the Babylonians made the divisions of the Zodiac in the 5th century B.C.

Therefore, associating the 12 tribes with the Zodiac is anachronistic and a sign of the poor research Acharya has produced!

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That is one of the facts that I've brought to this thread. Disagree with the above but let's see your evidence that it's wrong. This is what debate is all about!

> I respect people's belief systems but I don't respect
> spamming discussions with posts that do not foster
> discussion. Nobody can discuss THIS topic the way I
> presented it with the kind of illogical, irrational posts the
> way you present them.

"Illogical, "irrational"? I refer you to the excerpt above and you try pick out the illogical in that. Unlike you, I want a real debate. I'm not the one looking for spruious excuse to attack other posters like you are doing!

> I wouldn't mind if you could just present your ideas once or
> twice and let the discussion with other people alone. That
> way this topic can get a good airing and a lot of learning
> can take place.

I wouldn't mind if you stopped attacking and harrassing me.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 892 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 320 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 249 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 251 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 258 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 272 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 271 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 264 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 304 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 299 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 294 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 288 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 281 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 290 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 298 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 318 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 301 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 300 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 287 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 292 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 245 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 313 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 287 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 323 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 262 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 317 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 271 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 305 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 261 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 255 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 270 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 251 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 266 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 274 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 267 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 272 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 261 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 266 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 236 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 288 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 300 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 262 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 288 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 292 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 305 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 285 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 250 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 276 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 278 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 252 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 242 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 266 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 248 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 261 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 250 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 300 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 254 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 282 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 280 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 277 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 277 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 271 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 289 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 266 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 286 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 259 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 286 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 292 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 299 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 287 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 296 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 271 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 244 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 296 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 308 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 296 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 296 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 261 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 293 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 304 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 255 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 261 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 276 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 278 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 261 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 370 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 273 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 373 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 260 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 357 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 248 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 352 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 346 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 263 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 328 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 455 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 281 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 276 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 318 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 307 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 340 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 300 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 299 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 298 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 315 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 352 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 288 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 293 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 270 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 270 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 288 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 282 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 320 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 306 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 284 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 292 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 286 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 263 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 248 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 313 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 292 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 282 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 255 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 273 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 273 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 280 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 236 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 285 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 244 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 270 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 260 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 259 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 260 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 302 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 287 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 268 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 271 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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