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ananda wrote:
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> Actually, no, it's not down to opinion or personal beliefs.

I think you misunderstood me because I said, "At the end of the day", meaning the overall debate over whether we believe in the concept of Jesus as taught in the NT.

> I was honestly trying to have a discussion about various
> religious histories and factual evidence, not just belief
> systems.

I have introduced facts into this thread. For example:

Let's take the book that sunbeam referenced as an exmple. There are fundamental problems with Acharya's thesis in her books "The Christ Conspiracy" and "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled". Acharya claims that the the 12 tribes of Israel are representative of the 12 signs of the zodiac and that each of the 12 apostles is associated with each of the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

She also claims that the 12 stones, representing the tribes that Jacob set up, were actually representing the 12 signs of the zodiac but this isn't possible because the book of Genesis was written long before the Babylonians made the divisions of the Zodiac in the 5th century B.C.

Therefore, associating the 12 tribes with the Zodiac is anachronistic and a sign of the poor research Acharya has produced!

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That is one of the facts that I've brought to this thread. Disagree with the above but let's see your evidence that it's wrong. This is what debate is all about!

> I respect people's belief systems but I don't respect
> spamming discussions with posts that do not foster
> discussion. Nobody can discuss THIS topic the way I
> presented it with the kind of illogical, irrational posts the
> way you present them.

"Illogical, "irrational"? I refer you to the excerpt above and you try pick out the illogical in that. Unlike you, I want a real debate. I'm not the one looking for spruious excuse to attack other posters like you are doing!

> I wouldn't mind if you could just present your ideas once or
> twice and let the discussion with other people alone. That
> way this topic can get a good airing and a lot of learning
> can take place.

I wouldn't mind if you stopped attacking and harrassing me.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 628 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 159 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 156 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 161 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 174 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 187 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 176 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 208 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 201 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 206 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 195 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 188 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 197 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 225 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 204 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 214 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 190 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 205 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 160 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 224 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 193 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 238 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 168 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 237 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 174 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 222 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 185 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 169 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 167 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 171 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 166 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 174 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 173 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 183 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 178 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 185 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 170 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 171 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 145 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 199 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 207 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 163 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 200 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 200 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 212 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 191 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 153 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 186 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 175 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 163 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 151 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 179 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 169 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 174 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 158 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 204 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 170 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 186 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 188 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 187 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 185 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 196 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 169 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 200 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 206 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 188 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 206 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 148 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 200 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 218 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 208 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 195 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 164 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 196 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 164 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 171 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 190 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 184 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 175 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 259 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 183 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 265 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 173 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 242 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 160 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 239 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 230 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 173 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 221 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 302 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 192 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 183 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 214 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 249 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 201 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 198 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 225 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 262 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 207 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 178 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 182 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 200 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 232 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 218 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 174 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 157 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 219 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 204 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 203 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 171 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 190 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 198 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 203 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 165 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 188 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 179 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 177 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 174 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 177 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 218 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 203 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 188 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 188 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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