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ananda wrote:
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> Actually, no, it's not down to opinion or personal beliefs.

I think you misunderstood me because I said, "At the end of the day", meaning the overall debate over whether we believe in the concept of Jesus as taught in the NT.

> I was honestly trying to have a discussion about various
> religious histories and factual evidence, not just belief
> systems.

I have introduced facts into this thread. For example:

Let's take the book that sunbeam referenced as an exmple. There are fundamental problems with Acharya's thesis in her books "The Christ Conspiracy" and "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled". Acharya claims that the the 12 tribes of Israel are representative of the 12 signs of the zodiac and that each of the 12 apostles is associated with each of the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

She also claims that the 12 stones, representing the tribes that Jacob set up, were actually representing the 12 signs of the zodiac but this isn't possible because the book of Genesis was written long before the Babylonians made the divisions of the Zodiac in the 5th century B.C.

Therefore, associating the 12 tribes with the Zodiac is anachronistic and a sign of the poor research Acharya has produced!

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That is one of the facts that I've brought to this thread. Disagree with the above but let's see your evidence that it's wrong. This is what debate is all about!

> I respect people's belief systems but I don't respect
> spamming discussions with posts that do not foster
> discussion. Nobody can discuss THIS topic the way I
> presented it with the kind of illogical, irrational posts the
> way you present them.

"Illogical, "irrational"? I refer you to the excerpt above and you try pick out the illogical in that. Unlike you, I want a real debate. I'm not the one looking for spruious excuse to attack other posters like you are doing!

> I wouldn't mind if you could just present your ideas once or
> twice and let the discussion with other people alone. That
> way this topic can get a good airing and a lot of learning
> can take place.

I wouldn't mind if you stopped attacking and harrassing me.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 698 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 244 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 212 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 178 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 177 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 184 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 192 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 201 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 194 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 227 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 222 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 225 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 215 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 217 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 242 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 229 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 214 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 221 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 176 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 244 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 214 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 254 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 189 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 252 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 199 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 239 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 220 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 187 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 182 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 206 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 193 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 205 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 199 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 205 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 191 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 194 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 168 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 217 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 226 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 189 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 215 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 223 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 234 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 215 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 181 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 203 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 203 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 182 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 170 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 193 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 184 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 176 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 228 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 185 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 209 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 210 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 204 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 208 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 202 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 217 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 217 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 214 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 223 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 227 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 198 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 225 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 235 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 226 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 217 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 188 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 236 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 185 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 189 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 207 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 206 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 199 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 280 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 205 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 284 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 193 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 261 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 175 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 259 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 252 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 197 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 239 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 339 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 240 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 238 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 271 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 221 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 226 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 245 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 283 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 217 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 222 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 200 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 197 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 217 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 199 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 248 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 236 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 228 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 223 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 177 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 243 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 219 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 192 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 212 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 217 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 221 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 180 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 210 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 199 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 197 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 193 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 194 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 236 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 224 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 205 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 203 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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