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Nejc wrote:

> I hate to put is as bluntly as this, but a discussion board
> is IMHO no place for believers. To believe explicitly
> means that your mind is not open to other's oppinions on the
> matter. If believers believe what they want to believe
> or because they were brougt up that way, nobody is going to
> change their mind (or want to) and on the other hand it is
> very unlikely that somebody else's views are changed because
> of their version of "universal truth". So why discuss at all?
>
> Discussion is for Researchers. For those who can accept
> other's arguments. For those who will counter your statments
> with facts, not with beliefs. Or even with with hatred and
> contempt. I personally do not care if somebody remembers MHS
> (My Humble Self) in two thousand years from now or not, but
> to use such a statement in a discussion, well, Guy?

But people who believe that Jesus = Horus are believers also. These people's claims are beliefs based on research in just the same way as those who claim Jesus is not Horus base their beliefs on their research.

I'm a researcher and I don't even like to call myself a Christian because I don't belong to any religion and I don't like devicive labels.

I'm quite happy to discuss the facts. Let's take the book that sunbeam referenced as an exmple. There are fundamental problems with Acharya's thesis in her books "The Christ Conspiracy" and "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled". Acharya claims that the the 12 tribes of Israel are representative of the 12 signs of the zodiac and that each of the 12 apostles is associated with each of the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

She also claims that the 12 stones, representing the tribes that Jacob set up, were actually representing the 12 signs of the zodiac but this isn't possible because the book of Genesis was written long before the Babylonians made the divisions of the Zodiac in the 5th century B.C.

Therefore, associating the 12 tribes with the Zodiac is anachronistic and a sign of the poor research Acharya has produced!

I am not a blind believer but a researcher.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 631 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 159 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 156 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 162 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 174 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 188 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 177 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 209 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 203 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 207 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 197 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 189 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 197 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 215 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 225 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 204 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 215 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 191 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 206 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 160 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 226 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 196 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 240 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 169 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 238 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 175 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 223 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 199 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 186 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 171 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 168 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 167 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 175 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 183 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 179 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 186 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 172 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 172 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 145 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 200 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 208 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 163 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 201 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 201 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 214 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 192 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 155 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 187 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 175 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 165 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 151 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 179 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 172 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 175 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 158 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 205 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 171 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 186 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 187 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 187 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 197 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 176 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 199 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 171 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 201 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 199 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 207 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 206 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 176 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 148 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 201 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 219 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 165 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 197 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 165 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 171 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 190 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 186 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 175 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 261 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 184 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 266 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 173 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 243 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 161 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 240 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 233 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 174 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 222 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 306 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 192 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 184 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 219 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 249 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 199 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 226 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 263 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 208 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 178 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 182 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 201 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 233 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 221 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 212 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 204 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 198 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 159 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 221 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 204 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 205 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 171 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 190 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 199 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 203 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 168 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 192 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 188 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 179 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 178 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 176 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 178 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 218 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 204 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 190 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 188 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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