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ananda wrote:
>
> Sheesh. It's so hard to discuss so many faulty and illogical
> statements at once.
>
> First, I don't read the Bible as fact or history, just as a
> compilation of writings composed over a period of years by
> many people in many places.

But you have asked (not sure if you did in your original post in this thread) on previous occaisions if anyone thinks that Jesus actually exised...

I don't think the Bible was intended as a history book in the sense of how we think of history books today. It is, though, IMHO, primarily a record of man's spiritual journey through an inhospitable world.

> Secondly, I don't consider the Bible authoritative on
> anything. I'm not at all convinced that Jesus as we know him
> was a real person, though it's possible that he's an amalgam
> of various religious, mythological, and even perhaps real
> people... a personage who evolved with the telling, the
> composing, and the dialogues and discussions of many groups,
> from grass roots sects to high church councils.

I believe that he probably did exist. From various records, we know that there was a religious sect growing rapidly approximately 30 years and onwards after the reported death of Jesus. Several sources documented this, including Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, etc.

What's amazing is that the people in this Christian sect, refered to by these sources, were claiming that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem within people's lifetime!

Do you think such a sect would continue growing if someone came forward and said he'd been a temple guard or a roman soldier all through that period and had never heard of this Jesus character?

However, the main point is that there is not a single piece of evidence from this period saying that there was a sect which believed in the a man that didn't even exist, comments that surely such a fast growing religion would attract if there was any doubt of his very existence!

The lack of contemporary evidence disclaining either his existence or his reported words is pretty strong evidence in itself!

> Thirdly, I've done a search, and everything I'm finding
> supports my idea as stated in the first post... that Jesus is
> something of a composite of older or other religious figures
> such as Horus, Mithra, Krishna, etc., and something of a
> Jewish-Roman creation.

Why don't you produce your research for scrutiny? I'd love to see what you've come up with that makes you feel so certain.

> About haloes... did I ever say or imply that the word halo
> was used in the Bible? Sheesh.

No, I didn't say you did either! But I was only covering all angles. I don't know why you have a problem with that. However, you did say that you could see something of Horus and Mithra in the depictions of Christ. What makes you think that then?

> I'm starting to feel a bit spammed and disrespected by your
> incessant, difficult to discuss, posts. I would like others
> to feel comfortable discussing these issues as well.

How am I stopping others from discussing these issues? Again you don't say... but what's new?

I am also not spamming you. That is an ad hominem attack on me because you don't want to have your views challenged.

I'll leave it to others to work out why you have difficulty replying to my posts but the answer is pretty obvious to me!

> Also, I don't respect Holding as a source at all. He's too
> biased as an evangelical bible thumping Christian.

Holding is not a Bible thumping Christian. If that's the best you can do to discredit a sincere researcher, it's a pretty tacky attempt, unless of course you can show that he's a Bible thumper but you never give anything to back up your claims, do you!

Holdings article is well referenced and well written article, unless, for a change, you can show otherwise.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 627 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 228 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 158 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 156 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 161 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 172 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 187 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 176 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 208 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 201 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 206 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 195 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 188 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 197 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 225 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 204 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 214 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 190 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 205 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 160 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 224 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 193 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 238 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 168 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 237 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 174 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 222 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 185 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 169 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 167 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 171 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 166 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 174 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 173 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 183 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 178 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 185 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 170 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 171 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 145 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 199 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 207 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 163 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 200 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 200 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 212 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 191 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 153 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 186 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 175 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 163 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 151 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 179 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 169 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 174 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 158 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 204 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 170 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 186 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 188 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 186 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 185 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 196 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 169 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 200 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 206 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 201 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 188 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 175 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 148 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 200 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 218 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 208 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 195 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 164 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 196 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 164 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 171 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 190 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 184 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 175 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 259 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 183 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 265 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 173 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 242 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 160 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 239 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 230 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 173 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 221 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 302 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 183 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 214 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 249 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 201 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 198 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 225 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 262 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 197 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 207 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 178 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 182 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 200 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 232 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 218 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 174 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 157 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 219 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 204 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 203 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 171 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 190 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 198 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 203 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 165 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 186 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 172 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 179 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 177 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 174 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 177 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 218 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 203 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 188 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 188 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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