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ananda wrote:
>
> Sheesh. It's so hard to discuss so many faulty and illogical
> statements at once.
>
> First, I don't read the Bible as fact or history, just as a
> compilation of writings composed over a period of years by
> many people in many places.

But you have asked (not sure if you did in your original post in this thread) on previous occaisions if anyone thinks that Jesus actually exised...

I don't think the Bible was intended as a history book in the sense of how we think of history books today. It is, though, IMHO, primarily a record of man's spiritual journey through an inhospitable world.

> Secondly, I don't consider the Bible authoritative on
> anything. I'm not at all convinced that Jesus as we know him
> was a real person, though it's possible that he's an amalgam
> of various religious, mythological, and even perhaps real
> people... a personage who evolved with the telling, the
> composing, and the dialogues and discussions of many groups,
> from grass roots sects to high church councils.

I believe that he probably did exist. From various records, we know that there was a religious sect growing rapidly approximately 30 years and onwards after the reported death of Jesus. Several sources documented this, including Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, etc.

What's amazing is that the people in this Christian sect, refered to by these sources, were claiming that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem within people's lifetime!

Do you think such a sect would continue growing if someone came forward and said he'd been a temple guard or a roman soldier all through that period and had never heard of this Jesus character?

However, the main point is that there is not a single piece of evidence from this period saying that there was a sect which believed in the a man that didn't even exist, comments that surely such a fast growing religion would attract if there was any doubt of his very existence!

The lack of contemporary evidence disclaining either his existence or his reported words is pretty strong evidence in itself!

> Thirdly, I've done a search, and everything I'm finding
> supports my idea as stated in the first post... that Jesus is
> something of a composite of older or other religious figures
> such as Horus, Mithra, Krishna, etc., and something of a
> Jewish-Roman creation.

Why don't you produce your research for scrutiny? I'd love to see what you've come up with that makes you feel so certain.

> About haloes... did I ever say or imply that the word halo
> was used in the Bible? Sheesh.

No, I didn't say you did either! But I was only covering all angles. I don't know why you have a problem with that. However, you did say that you could see something of Horus and Mithra in the depictions of Christ. What makes you think that then?

> I'm starting to feel a bit spammed and disrespected by your
> incessant, difficult to discuss, posts. I would like others
> to feel comfortable discussing these issues as well.

How am I stopping others from discussing these issues? Again you don't say... but what's new?

I am also not spamming you. That is an ad hominem attack on me because you don't want to have your views challenged.

I'll leave it to others to work out why you have difficulty replying to my posts but the answer is pretty obvious to me!

> Also, I don't respect Holding as a source at all. He's too
> biased as an evangelical bible thumping Christian.

Holding is not a Bible thumping Christian. If that's the best you can do to discredit a sincere researcher, it's a pretty tacky attempt, unless of course you can show that he's a Bible thumper but you never give anything to back up your claims, do you!

Holdings article is well referenced and well written article, unless, for a change, you can show otherwise.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 698 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 244 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 212 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 177 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 177 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 184 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 192 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 201 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 194 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 227 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 222 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 225 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 215 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 217 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 242 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 229 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 229 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 214 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 221 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 176 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 244 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 214 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 254 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 189 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 252 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 199 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 239 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 220 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 202 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 187 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 182 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 194 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 206 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 193 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 205 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 199 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 205 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 191 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 194 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 168 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 217 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 226 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 189 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 215 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 223 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 234 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 215 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 181 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 203 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 203 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 182 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 170 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 193 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 184 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 188 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 176 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 228 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 185 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 209 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 210 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 204 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 207 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 202 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 217 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 197 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 217 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 214 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 223 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 226 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 198 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 173 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 225 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 235 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 225 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 226 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 217 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 187 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 236 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 185 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 189 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 207 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 206 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 199 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 280 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 205 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 284 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 193 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 261 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 175 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 259 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 251 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 197 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 239 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 339 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 212 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 203 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 240 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 238 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 271 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 221 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 226 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 224 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 245 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 283 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 217 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 222 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 200 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 196 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 217 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 199 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 248 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 236 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 228 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 213 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 223 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 218 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 191 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 177 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 243 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 224 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 219 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 192 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 212 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 217 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 221 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 180 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 216 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 209 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 205 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 193 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 189 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 199 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 197 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 193 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 194 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 235 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 224 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 205 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 203 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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