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adequatedane wrote:
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> Hi David
> I agree with a lot of what you said especially about
> thought preceeding action.But I wondering about thought not
> effecting Karma.As I understand,karma is the result of
> actions/reactions.As such karma would be effected by the
> thought that created the action/reaction that
> created/resolved the karma.Let me know about this please.

It depends on the nature of the thought, as to whether or not it creates karma. We are now talking about that 3rd type of karma I listed--"C".
It is really attachment that creates karma, and thought is just part of that attachment. It's not THE attachement...
When we desire, we are thinking--but it's not the thinking per se, but what we are feeling and wanting. A woman, money, power, addictive drugs--all these produce powerful pulls that bring us back. Jesus said something about "he who looks at a woman with lust, it's as if he committed adultery"...something like that. "Sin" is anything that separates us from God, and a powerful desire or pull brings us back to another birth to fullfill that desire, and that is tantamount to more separation.

> Normality,I believe,is the concensus of the society or
> culture one is involved in.What may be normal for one may be
> abnormal in another.I do believe there is spiritual normality
> that we all have and it is this that we seem to reawaken when
> we seek the higher the higher realms;such as
> enlightenment,salvation,etc.

The truth is that we do not awaken this spiritual longing and desire to seek. It is awakened for us by Spirit, by Shabd. It's grace. And most of the world does not experience it in sufficient amount to cause them to act on it. But the ratio is changing in the direction of more people being blessed with spiritual longing--it's part of changes of the millennium.

> Yes in many ways we all have addictive traits in our
> personalities.And it is these traits that I have been
> wondering about and there relationship with karma.Since we
> all exhibit additive traits is this somekind of universal
> karma for humankind?If so,which I believe may be
> possible,then if resolved humankind will evolve.

Karma is different for every soul. For example, not every soul is destined to take human form--ever. There is no norm that I'm aware of. The ones who do plunge into the physical must firsgo through the plant and animal forms before gaining the human form. What we do with our free will--apparent free will--varies from soul to soul, and no two are alike. There are commonalities, there is the karma of tribes, nations, planets, families, groups, etc.
Here's the deal on addiction: It is misdirected longing. The mind wants and wants--but it wants the wrong things because it is dominated by the senses. It seeks satisfaction--satiation, really. It seeks to stroke the ego,
give it what it wants. And when it gets what it wants, it immediately starts wanting the next thing... The kundalini never rises high enough--in most people--for it's proper purpose to be fully implemented. The downward pulls out-weigh the spiritual pulls. The mission of the true Adept is to reverse this situation, to pull the seeker up to the eye-center, where the mind and soul are knotted, and to untie that knot.(metaphorically), or blast through it... For this to happen, the love must be very powerful to pull the kundalini--or cause it to rise--above the heart chakra (romantic love) , and up the eye-center.
David

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What is Karma? 549 adequatedane 11-Feb-04 21:28
Re: What is Karma? 146 David L 11-Feb-04 21:56
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Re: What is Karma? 136 David L 12-Feb-04 02:01
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Re: What is Karma? 163 adequatedane 12-Feb-04 03:04
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Re: What is Karma? 155 Anne-Marie 14-Feb-04 19:27
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Re: What is Karma? 165 Anne-Marie 15-Feb-04 07:42
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Re: What is Karma? 137 Trygve Hogebol 29-Feb-04 17:42
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Re: What is Karma? 137 adequatedane 12-Feb-04 03:07
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Re: What is Karma? 137 adequatedane 25-Feb-04 14:56
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Re: What is Karma? 136 adequatedane 29-Feb-04 15:41
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Re: What is Karma? 137 adequatedane 01-Mar-04 00:25
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