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Hello Kees and Maria,
You both appear to have been studing some Castaneda, as his work suggests the same thing.
Points to concider:
"There aren't enough words"
"Rituals are a trap"

Then, allow me to add one; "Idiots of great wisdom may lead humanity astray."

You may wish to add Zarathustra to your original post, as he plays an important part of the "move-to-Christianity", as a whole. It is contended that his followers [Priests] were the "wise-men" who followed the "star" to find Baby Jesus... In keeping with his "visions".
Zarathustra was not an idiot of great wisdom but there were many in the long chain of events from Yahweh to Jesus, if not before Yahweh.
There has never been "enough-words" to define the "truth". Hence, as "Rulers/Leaders" became involved, the idea of "idiots of great wisdom" was born.
With Maria's word "Key", we can see that rituals/symbols became a "tool" used by "rulers" to aquire and sustain control of "the people", regardless of nation or tribe.
In the big picture, religion [any/all] has always been a tool-of-rulers in controlling people. A measure of the success of this "miss-use" of religion lies in the progress/success of economical developement around the globe,,, compared to the progress of "radical" religious movements in direct opposition thereof,,, both/all being victims of the same "ploy".

Simple example: In 40 years in the US, gasoline has gone from 19 cents/gallon to $1.90/gallon. If this continues, we will self-distruct quite soon.

ALL contemporary "idiots of great wisdom" know this and are simply using the same tactics of "religious-manipulation" in order to control things. You will soon see [it is already happening] everything change direction... Hopefully, it will not be too late and will actually "work".

The "root-cause" is that too many nations have taken their people down different paths of "rituals and symbolisms" and those differences must first be reconciled. When, and only when this is completed,,, we can move towards a better world.
The "sky" as a whole is the only thing "everyone" can see and is the absolute best way to create symbols and rituals which would be most useful, whether trying to tell the truth or trying to "control" people. If they were ALL telling the truth, we would not be in the mess we are in today.

"Somewhere in ancient times, man lost this knowledge" [CC]

Does this make sense?
Am I rambling?

Agape, Deano

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The origin of Christian religion 510 Kees 06-Feb-04 16:28
Re: The origin of Christian religion 132 maria k. 06-Feb-04 19:18
Re: The origin of Christian religion 149 Kees 06-Feb-04 21:49
Re: The origin of Christian religion 127 Hoppy 06-Feb-04 22:21
Re: The origin of Christian religion 135 Kees 06-Feb-04 22:57
Re: The origin of Christian religion 129 Mark Staab 07-Feb-04 00:59
Re: The origin of Christian religion 131 maria k. 07-Feb-04 02:47
Re: The origin of Christian religion 162 solar_fox 07-Feb-04 04:01
Ezekiel's Wheel 137 maria k. 07-Feb-04 04:32
The Four Beasts 131 Milo 07-Feb-04 05:06
Re: The Four Beasts 147 maria k. 07-Feb-04 06:02
Re: The Four Beasts 149 Milo 07-Feb-04 06:23
Re: The Four Beasts 134 solar_fox 07-Feb-04 07:02
Re: The Four Beasts 128 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:38
to solarfox 136 maria k. 07-Feb-04 19:37
Re: The Four Beasts 138 maria k. 07-Feb-04 07:36
Re: The Four Beasts 134 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:43
Re: The Four Beasts 133 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:53
Re: The Four Beasts 149 maria k. 07-Feb-04 19:12
Re: The Four Beasts 137 Milo 07-Feb-04 19:36
Hidden Meanings 156 Elizabeth Newton 08-Feb-04 07:17
Re: Hidden Meanings 146 maria k. 08-Feb-04 08:13
Re: Hidden Meanings 218 Laird Scranton 08-Feb-04 16:59
Re: Hidden Meanings 143 maria k. 08-Feb-04 20:48
Re: Hidden Meanings 204 Laird Scranton 09-Feb-04 02:40
Re: Hidden Meanings 134 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 07:42
Re: Hidden Meanings 199 Laird Scranton 09-Feb-04 21:26
Re: Hidden Meanings 151 Jaimi 10-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Hidden Meanings 186 Laird Scranton 10-Feb-04 22:24
Re: The Four Beasts 155 Lee McGiffen 07-Feb-04 12:02
Re: The origin of Christian religion 131 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:19
Re: The origin of Christian religion 130 maria k. 08-Feb-04 21:02
Re: The origin of Christian religion 176 Kees 08-Feb-04 22:04
Re: The origin of Christian religion 121 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 08:48
the bible's "written word" 153 maria k. 09-Feb-04 20:50
Re: the bible's "written word" 138 Milo 09-Feb-04 21:08
Re: the bible's "written word" 137 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 21:43
Re: the bible's "written word" 148 Milo 10-Feb-04 02:36
Re: the bible's "written word" 149 maria k. 09-Feb-04 22:32
So called glib comments 228 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 00:37
Re: So called glib comments 212 Milo 10-Feb-04 02:29
What use is the bible? 182 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 23:06
Re: What use is the bible? 131 Milo 10-Feb-04 23:15
Re: What use is the bible? 134 Richard Fusniak 11-Feb-04 23:59
Re: What use is the bible? 141 Milo 12-Feb-04 00:21
I forgot to comment on.... 161 Milo 12-Feb-04 00:25
The Vicarious Atonement 149 Richard Fusniak 12-Feb-04 02:31
Re: The Vicarious Atonement 299 Milo 12-Feb-04 03:31
Thanks Fuzzy! 134 maria k. 11-Feb-04 05:04
Re: Thanks Fuzzy! 146 Milo 11-Feb-04 05:33
correction... 122 Milo 11-Feb-04 05:46
Re: correction... 126 maria k. 11-Feb-04 06:37
Re: correction... 135 Milo 11-Feb-04 06:51
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Re: correction... 132 Milo 11-Feb-04 07:38
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Re: correction... 141 Milo 11-Feb-04 19:11
Re: The origin of Christian religion 131 Kees 07-Feb-04 11:23
Re: The origin of Christian religion 143 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:34
Re: The origin of Christian religion 134 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:26
Re: The origin of Christian religion 136 Kees 08-Feb-04 10:00
Re: The origin of Christian religion 139 Kees 08-Feb-04 13:37
Re: The origin of Christian religion 141 solar_fox 09-Feb-04 01:10
Re: The origin of Christian religion 140 Jaimi 09-Feb-04 05:16
Re: The origin of Christian religion 136 maria k. 09-Feb-04 05:56
Re: The origin of Christian religion 144 solar_fox 09-Feb-04 07:53
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