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Hello Kees and Maria,
You both appear to have been studing some Castaneda, as his work suggests the same thing.
Points to concider:
"There aren't enough words"
"Rituals are a trap"

Then, allow me to add one; "Idiots of great wisdom may lead humanity astray."

You may wish to add Zarathustra to your original post, as he plays an important part of the "move-to-Christianity", as a whole. It is contended that his followers [Priests] were the "wise-men" who followed the "star" to find Baby Jesus... In keeping with his "visions".
Zarathustra was not an idiot of great wisdom but there were many in the long chain of events from Yahweh to Jesus, if not before Yahweh.
There has never been "enough-words" to define the "truth". Hence, as "Rulers/Leaders" became involved, the idea of "idiots of great wisdom" was born.
With Maria's word "Key", we can see that rituals/symbols became a "tool" used by "rulers" to aquire and sustain control of "the people", regardless of nation or tribe.
In the big picture, religion [any/all] has always been a tool-of-rulers in controlling people. A measure of the success of this "miss-use" of religion lies in the progress/success of economical developement around the globe,,, compared to the progress of "radical" religious movements in direct opposition thereof,,, both/all being victims of the same "ploy".

Simple example: In 40 years in the US, gasoline has gone from 19 cents/gallon to $1.90/gallon. If this continues, we will self-distruct quite soon.

ALL contemporary "idiots of great wisdom" know this and are simply using the same tactics of "religious-manipulation" in order to control things. You will soon see [it is already happening] everything change direction... Hopefully, it will not be too late and will actually "work".

The "root-cause" is that too many nations have taken their people down different paths of "rituals and symbolisms" and those differences must first be reconciled. When, and only when this is completed,,, we can move towards a better world.
The "sky" as a whole is the only thing "everyone" can see and is the absolute best way to create symbols and rituals which would be most useful, whether trying to tell the truth or trying to "control" people. If they were ALL telling the truth, we would not be in the mess we are in today.

"Somewhere in ancient times, man lost this knowledge" [CC]

Does this make sense?
Am I rambling?

Agape, Deano

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The origin of Christian religion 467 Kees 06-Feb-04 16:28
Re: The origin of Christian religion 118 maria k. 06-Feb-04 19:18
Re: The origin of Christian religion 134 Kees 06-Feb-04 21:49
Re: The origin of Christian religion 111 Hoppy 06-Feb-04 22:21
Re: The origin of Christian religion 128 Kees 06-Feb-04 22:57
Re: The origin of Christian religion 121 Mark Staab 07-Feb-04 00:59
Re: The origin of Christian religion 116 maria k. 07-Feb-04 02:47
Re: The origin of Christian religion 143 solar_fox 07-Feb-04 04:01
Ezekiel's Wheel 122 maria k. 07-Feb-04 04:32
The Four Beasts 114 Milo 07-Feb-04 05:06
Re: The Four Beasts 131 maria k. 07-Feb-04 06:02
Re: The Four Beasts 133 Milo 07-Feb-04 06:23
Re: The Four Beasts 118 solar_fox 07-Feb-04 07:02
Re: The Four Beasts 110 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:38
to solarfox 128 maria k. 07-Feb-04 19:37
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Re: The Four Beasts 126 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:43
Re: The Four Beasts 117 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:53
Re: The Four Beasts 134 maria k. 07-Feb-04 19:12
Re: The Four Beasts 123 Milo 07-Feb-04 19:36
Hidden Meanings 149 Elizabeth Newton 08-Feb-04 07:17
Re: Hidden Meanings 131 maria k. 08-Feb-04 08:13
Re: Hidden Meanings 210 Laird Scranton 08-Feb-04 16:59
Re: Hidden Meanings 128 maria k. 08-Feb-04 20:48
Re: Hidden Meanings 187 Laird Scranton 09-Feb-04 02:40
Re: Hidden Meanings 118 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 07:42
Re: Hidden Meanings 183 Laird Scranton 09-Feb-04 21:26
Re: Hidden Meanings 135 Jaimi 10-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Hidden Meanings 169 Laird Scranton 10-Feb-04 22:24
Re: The Four Beasts 139 Lee McGiffen 07-Feb-04 12:02
Re: The origin of Christian religion 117 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:19
Re: The origin of Christian religion 114 maria k. 08-Feb-04 21:02
Re: The origin of Christian religion 167 Kees 08-Feb-04 22:04
Re: The origin of Christian religion 113 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 08:48
the bible's "written word" 144 maria k. 09-Feb-04 20:50
Re: the bible's "written word" 121 Milo 09-Feb-04 21:08
Re: the bible's "written word" 129 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 21:43
Re: the bible's "written word" 131 Milo 10-Feb-04 02:36
Re: the bible's "written word" 132 maria k. 09-Feb-04 22:32
So called glib comments 212 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 00:37
Re: So called glib comments 195 Milo 10-Feb-04 02:29
What use is the bible? 174 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 23:06
Re: What use is the bible? 116 Milo 10-Feb-04 23:15
Re: What use is the bible? 119 Richard Fusniak 11-Feb-04 23:59
Re: What use is the bible? 124 Milo 12-Feb-04 00:21
I forgot to comment on.... 144 Milo 12-Feb-04 00:25
The Vicarious Atonement 141 Richard Fusniak 12-Feb-04 02:31
Re: The Vicarious Atonement 277 Milo 12-Feb-04 03:31
Thanks Fuzzy! 126 maria k. 11-Feb-04 05:04
Re: Thanks Fuzzy! 137 Milo 11-Feb-04 05:33
correction... 114 Milo 11-Feb-04 05:46
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Re: correction... 125 Milo 11-Feb-04 19:11
Re: The origin of Christian religion 122 Kees 07-Feb-04 11:23
Re: The origin of Christian religion 129 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:34
Re: The origin of Christian religion 118 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:26
Re: The origin of Christian religion 121 Kees 08-Feb-04 10:00
Re: The origin of Christian religion 123 Kees 08-Feb-04 13:37
Re: The origin of Christian religion 124 solar_fox 09-Feb-04 01:10
Re: The origin of Christian religion 125 Jaimi 09-Feb-04 05:16
Re: The origin of Christian religion 120 maria k. 09-Feb-04 05:56
Re: The origin of Christian religion 128 solar_fox 09-Feb-04 07:53
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