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wirelessguru1 wrote:
that energy..
>
> You, obviously, seem to have that capability very well
> developed, but why do you try to project your own "personal
> reality" (path, truth!) into others, when you also seem to
> believe and understand that truth is relative and that we all
> hear it differently..
>
> Let it be...
>
> In terms of Heaven on Earth you say "that without his (Jesus
> Christ) initiation of you--with both of you being alive in
> the physical body--you will not go beyond mind and you will
> continue to reincarnate, as you have been doing millions of
> times already"!
>
> Are you suggesting that final closure must be done in the
> physical dimension!? If that is what you are suggesting, why
> do you believe that to be the case!?

On the one hand, you tell me to "let it be". Then you ask me why I say we must be initiated while in the human form in order to go back to God once and for all... I have said here many times that all adepts have given this teaching--from Jesus to my own teacher, and all true adepts in between and before Jesus... This is a rule for all those souls who incarnate on the physical plane. (not all have done so, and some will never come here)
I could quote Rumi, Kabir, Jesus, my own teacher...but what does it matter? Would you accept that as proof, of validation of my words?
Why else would Jesus have to take initiation from John the Baptist? And don't tell me to fullfill some prophecy..that's beside the point...The one who prophesied it was well aware that this is how things are done.

We are made a certain way...our inner anatomy is MADE FOR INITIATION AND TRANSCENDENCE....when we are ready for it. The spinal channels, the chakras, the kundalini... This is what is meant by "made in the image of God." No religion or group or cult "owns" this. It is universal and applies to every human, and eventually to every animal. There is nothing that is not God...but there is one way back, and that's the way we came--upward and inward, being the reverse of "outward and downward"...

Jesus said:
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:13

Even Jesus could not go back to "the Father" until he had been initiated {baptized} by John. And no man goes up but he that came down...
This is why all the talk about the human form being "higher than the angels", Because ONLY FROM THIS FORM can we become "perfect"--as Jesus said we must become.


"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. "
Matthew 5:48

He didn't mean we had to have perfect vision or play sub-par golf...
He was talking about becoming what is known in the east as a "perfect master" or adept. Because that's what these people do--they make other people perfect...that's their job.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.."
John 1:12

And:
Matthew 11 "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."

So he was saying that as great as his initiator John was, anyone else has the potential to become even greater...

Now other mytics say this even clearer, and more straightforward, but for now, to me, this is enough. It's plain enough. Christians truly don't understand half of the bible and they will nitpick this of course, but there ya go...
One more thing...this teaching applies to this age, this yuga, mainly because of the short life span and because well, it's physical--whereas the higher ages are not--not like it is here.
David

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Re: Questions about Truth 142 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 164 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
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Re: Questions about Truth 143 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
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Re: Questions about Truth 146 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
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Re: Questions about Truth 148 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 132 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 139 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 158 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 145 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 132 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 180 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 131 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 130 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
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Re: Questions about Truth 144 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 158 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 134 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 150 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 136 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 131 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 136 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 120 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
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Re: Questions about Truth 138 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
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Re: No such thing 153 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 136 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 136 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 153 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
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Re: Questions about Truth 131 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
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Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 131 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
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Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 144 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 143 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 185 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
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