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banah wrote:

> IMHO there is more mumbo jumbo than worthwhile info in other
> sources regarding spiritual matter.... but that's my opinion.
> Many of them do however talk about a tree of life.... It was
> the Jewish mystics (Kabbalists) who turned the door into a
> tree, if the door is not a tree, but a door, it is worthwhile
> to know how it opens and closes.... once again my opinion.

The door is eye-center. The mystic threshhold. "Tisra Til", The Tenth Gate.
(the other 9 being the orifices of the physical body)
>
> >>This is a different age, and we
> don't worry about secrecy and persecution,
>
> I'm not sure what you are referring to here? Who's worried
> about secrecy? Who's persecuted? Anyway.......

I was referring to the days in which the OT was slapped together. I'm referring to the Kabbalah. The whole notion of "encoding"... Libraries were burned, books were burned, people were burned...all over secrecy and persecution. There is no need for it in this day and age. And by "age" I was not speaking of yuga. There are cycles with in cycles within cycles... I was speaking of the 20th century and the present millennium
>
> >>or decoding dusty old books.
>
> Someone has decoded your dusty old books ... are you so sure
> they have been decoded right? I certainly know that the OT is
> badly mutilated by subjective translation, which is why it
> needs to be "decoded" to find the truth...... is it a tree
> or is it a door?

My knowledge does not come from books but from experience and a living adept. I use books to illustrate a point--to show that long gone mystics have experienced the same things I'm talking about. I'm perfectly content to toss the books and speak straight out about what I know. But people always want "back up". Validation. After all, it couldn't possibly be true simply because I say I know it, or have experienced it... But some dusty old book says the same thing, well hey--that's OK then.

> >>There really is no point in trying to justify or validate
> your seeking by
> trying to make Truth conform the to the OT.
>
> I thought you said truth is an illusion :

I believe I said truth is relative, until one goes beyond Mind. Not illusion-relative. Shades of gray...

> and you said:
>
> >>we must play
> the cards as they appear to be and make the right
> choices--that is choices
> that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another
> paradox, because
> everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> So whatever we do, we are growing spiritually - aren't
> we........even decoding dusty old books!

Yes. We are all going through what we must go through. But that doesn't mean I can't suggest something that might get one "there" sooner.

> In fact, it seems that your version of things can simply make
> and break it's own rules as you go along, to "justify or
> validate your seeking by trying to make Truth conform " to it.
>
> I am not harmed by Truth and do not fear it. In fact this is
> what I seek most. I don't need anybody to lie to me to spare
> my feelings, I am quite capable of deeling with reality here
> and now and not in some future Nirvana. But that's just me
> and thank Goodness that we don't all have to be "Smith's" so
> you can be you as well and we can discuss things without
> insult or taking offense.

I was not referring to lying about spirituality, but more mundane matters.
Truth is not absolute on this plane. There are higher truths that trump little white lies told to spare someone hurt. Be careful of getting hung up on truth or reading too much into a white lie. Like in medicine, the first rule is "do no harm."
All the best,
David

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Re: Questions about Truth 142 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 108 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 119 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 130 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 116 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 106 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 97 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 123 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 116 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 117 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 111 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 121 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 114 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 103 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 113 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 103 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 95 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 116 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 136 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 106 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 115 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 132 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 111 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 102 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 123 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 104 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 105 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 114 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 119 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 128 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 125 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 104 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 101 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 119 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 104 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 108 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 131 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 117 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 104 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 143 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 104 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 104 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 132 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 117 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 113 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 103 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 120 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 109 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 104 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 110 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 92 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 121 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 122 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 119 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 135 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 134 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 124 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 125 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 107 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 107 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 121 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 112 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 111 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 124 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 104 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 114 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 141 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 141 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 113 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 103 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 121 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 125 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 114 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 97 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 110 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 103 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 102 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 132 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 129 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 145 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 110 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 148 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 103 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 98 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 116 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 96 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 134 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 124 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 97 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 113 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 125 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 118 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 138 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 116 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 103 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 113 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 100 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 116 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 157 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 407 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 103 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 121 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 126 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 107 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 120 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 109 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 110 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
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Re: Questions about Truth 109 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 133 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 125 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 123 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 125 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 120 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
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Re: Questions about Truth 123 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
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