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banah wrote:

> IMHO there is more mumbo jumbo than worthwhile info in other
> sources regarding spiritual matter.... but that's my opinion.
> Many of them do however talk about a tree of life.... It was
> the Jewish mystics (Kabbalists) who turned the door into a
> tree, if the door is not a tree, but a door, it is worthwhile
> to know how it opens and closes.... once again my opinion.

The door is eye-center. The mystic threshhold. "Tisra Til", The Tenth Gate.
(the other 9 being the orifices of the physical body)
>
> >>This is a different age, and we
> don't worry about secrecy and persecution,
>
> I'm not sure what you are referring to here? Who's worried
> about secrecy? Who's persecuted? Anyway.......

I was referring to the days in which the OT was slapped together. I'm referring to the Kabbalah. The whole notion of "encoding"... Libraries were burned, books were burned, people were burned...all over secrecy and persecution. There is no need for it in this day and age. And by "age" I was not speaking of yuga. There are cycles with in cycles within cycles... I was speaking of the 20th century and the present millennium
>
> >>or decoding dusty old books.
>
> Someone has decoded your dusty old books ... are you so sure
> they have been decoded right? I certainly know that the OT is
> badly mutilated by subjective translation, which is why it
> needs to be "decoded" to find the truth...... is it a tree
> or is it a door?

My knowledge does not come from books but from experience and a living adept. I use books to illustrate a point--to show that long gone mystics have experienced the same things I'm talking about. I'm perfectly content to toss the books and speak straight out about what I know. But people always want "back up". Validation. After all, it couldn't possibly be true simply because I say I know it, or have experienced it... But some dusty old book says the same thing, well hey--that's OK then.

> >>There really is no point in trying to justify or validate
> your seeking by
> trying to make Truth conform the to the OT.
>
> I thought you said truth is an illusion :

I believe I said truth is relative, until one goes beyond Mind. Not illusion-relative. Shades of gray...

> and you said:
>
> >>we must play
> the cards as they appear to be and make the right
> choices--that is choices
> that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another
> paradox, because
> everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> So whatever we do, we are growing spiritually - aren't
> we........even decoding dusty old books!

Yes. We are all going through what we must go through. But that doesn't mean I can't suggest something that might get one "there" sooner.

> In fact, it seems that your version of things can simply make
> and break it's own rules as you go along, to "justify or
> validate your seeking by trying to make Truth conform " to it.
>
> I am not harmed by Truth and do not fear it. In fact this is
> what I seek most. I don't need anybody to lie to me to spare
> my feelings, I am quite capable of deeling with reality here
> and now and not in some future Nirvana. But that's just me
> and thank Goodness that we don't all have to be "Smith's" so
> you can be you as well and we can discuss things without
> insult or taking offense.

I was not referring to lying about spirituality, but more mundane matters.
Truth is not absolute on this plane. There are higher truths that trump little white lies told to spare someone hurt. Be careful of getting hung up on truth or reading too much into a white lie. Like in medicine, the first rule is "do no harm."
All the best,
David

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Questions about Truth 722 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 171 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 163 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 204 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 170 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 170 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 179 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 189 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 172 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 167 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 158 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 187 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 176 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 172 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 164 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 183 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 172 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 160 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 176 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 163 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 159 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 172 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 188 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 166 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 173 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 190 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 168 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 157 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 177 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 154 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 159 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 166 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 178 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 184 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 192 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 161 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 160 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 178 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 159 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 162 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 186 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 172 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 161 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 216 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 162 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 155 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 188 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 170 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 186 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 166 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 178 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 168 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 159 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 167 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 145 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 204 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 192 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 177 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 200 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 177 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 166 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 176 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 182 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 163 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 165 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 180 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 168 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 171 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 168 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 181 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 160 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 175 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 210 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 206 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 170 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 156 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 177 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 178 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 172 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 155 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 191 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 165 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 160 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 157 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 181 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 187 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 218 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 167 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 198 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 156 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 171 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 153 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 176 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 154 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 182 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 178 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 168 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 194 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 177 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 155 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 175 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 167 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 186 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 181 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 177 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 196 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 175 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 159 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 177 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 153 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 175 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 170 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 214 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 168 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 181 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 184 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 176 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 516 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 161 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 160 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 180 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 182 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 169 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 179 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 164 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 192 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 161 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 173 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 160 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 198 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 182 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 169 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 179 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 173 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 165 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 155 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 163 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 147 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 150 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 166 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 186 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
Re: Questions about Truth 169 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:15
Re: Questions about Truth 154 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 174 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 01:04
Re: Questions about Truth 185 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 165 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 183 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 164 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 172 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
Re: Questions about Truth 163 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:47
Re: Questions about Truth 165 Cesar 08-Feb-04 11:51


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