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banah wrote:

> IMHO there is more mumbo jumbo than worthwhile info in other
> sources regarding spiritual matter.... but that's my opinion.
> Many of them do however talk about a tree of life.... It was
> the Jewish mystics (Kabbalists) who turned the door into a
> tree, if the door is not a tree, but a door, it is worthwhile
> to know how it opens and closes.... once again my opinion.

The door is eye-center. The mystic threshhold. "Tisra Til", The Tenth Gate.
(the other 9 being the orifices of the physical body)
>
> >>This is a different age, and we
> don't worry about secrecy and persecution,
>
> I'm not sure what you are referring to here? Who's worried
> about secrecy? Who's persecuted? Anyway.......

I was referring to the days in which the OT was slapped together. I'm referring to the Kabbalah. The whole notion of "encoding"... Libraries were burned, books were burned, people were burned...all over secrecy and persecution. There is no need for it in this day and age. And by "age" I was not speaking of yuga. There are cycles with in cycles within cycles... I was speaking of the 20th century and the present millennium
>
> >>or decoding dusty old books.
>
> Someone has decoded your dusty old books ... are you so sure
> they have been decoded right? I certainly know that the OT is
> badly mutilated by subjective translation, which is why it
> needs to be "decoded" to find the truth...... is it a tree
> or is it a door?

My knowledge does not come from books but from experience and a living adept. I use books to illustrate a point--to show that long gone mystics have experienced the same things I'm talking about. I'm perfectly content to toss the books and speak straight out about what I know. But people always want "back up". Validation. After all, it couldn't possibly be true simply because I say I know it, or have experienced it... But some dusty old book says the same thing, well hey--that's OK then.

> >>There really is no point in trying to justify or validate
> your seeking by
> trying to make Truth conform the to the OT.
>
> I thought you said truth is an illusion :

I believe I said truth is relative, until one goes beyond Mind. Not illusion-relative. Shades of gray...

> and you said:
>
> >>we must play
> the cards as they appear to be and make the right
> choices--that is choices
> that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another
> paradox, because
> everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> So whatever we do, we are growing spiritually - aren't
> we........even decoding dusty old books!

Yes. We are all going through what we must go through. But that doesn't mean I can't suggest something that might get one "there" sooner.

> In fact, it seems that your version of things can simply make
> and break it's own rules as you go along, to "justify or
> validate your seeking by trying to make Truth conform " to it.
>
> I am not harmed by Truth and do not fear it. In fact this is
> what I seek most. I don't need anybody to lie to me to spare
> my feelings, I am quite capable of deeling with reality here
> and now and not in some future Nirvana. But that's just me
> and thank Goodness that we don't all have to be "Smith's" so
> you can be you as well and we can discuss things without
> insult or taking offense.

I was not referring to lying about spirituality, but more mundane matters.
Truth is not absolute on this plane. There are higher truths that trump little white lies told to spare someone hurt. Be careful of getting hung up on truth or reading too much into a white lie. Like in medicine, the first rule is "do no harm."
All the best,
David

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Questions about Truth 589 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 120 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 112 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 146 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 118 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 112 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 122 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 133 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 120 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 110 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 100 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 127 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 119 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 114 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 125 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 118 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 106 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 106 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 99 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 119 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 139 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 110 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 119 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 135 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 114 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 126 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 107 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 109 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 117 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 122 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 132 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 135 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 107 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 122 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 107 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 112 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 134 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 120 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 108 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 146 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 107 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 108 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 135 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 120 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 125 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 107 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 123 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 112 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 107 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 113 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 95 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 133 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 131 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 138 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 137 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 111 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 127 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 128 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 110 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 110 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 125 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 115 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 111 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 127 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 107 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 117 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 152 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 144 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 107 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 129 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 117 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 100 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 137 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 113 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 106 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 107 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 135 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 132 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 148 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 113 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 151 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 106 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 121 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 102 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 119 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 99 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 130 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 137 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 101 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 116 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 128 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 121 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 141 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 119 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 106 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 124 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 103 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 119 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 162 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 122 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 121 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 425 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 106 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 124 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 129 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 110 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 123 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 112 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 121 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 118 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 112 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 136 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 128 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 127 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 128 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 125 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 114 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 105 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 111 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 101 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 100 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
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Re: Questions about Truth 138 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
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Re: Questions about Truth 111 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
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Re: Questions about Truth 132 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 113 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 126 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
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Re: Questions about Truth 121 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
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