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banah wrote:

> IMHO there is more mumbo jumbo than worthwhile info in other
> sources regarding spiritual matter.... but that's my opinion.
> Many of them do however talk about a tree of life.... It was
> the Jewish mystics (Kabbalists) who turned the door into a
> tree, if the door is not a tree, but a door, it is worthwhile
> to know how it opens and closes.... once again my opinion.

The door is eye-center. The mystic threshhold. "Tisra Til", The Tenth Gate.
(the other 9 being the orifices of the physical body)
>
> >>This is a different age, and we
> don't worry about secrecy and persecution,
>
> I'm not sure what you are referring to here? Who's worried
> about secrecy? Who's persecuted? Anyway.......

I was referring to the days in which the OT was slapped together. I'm referring to the Kabbalah. The whole notion of "encoding"... Libraries were burned, books were burned, people were burned...all over secrecy and persecution. There is no need for it in this day and age. And by "age" I was not speaking of yuga. There are cycles with in cycles within cycles... I was speaking of the 20th century and the present millennium
>
> >>or decoding dusty old books.
>
> Someone has decoded your dusty old books ... are you so sure
> they have been decoded right? I certainly know that the OT is
> badly mutilated by subjective translation, which is why it
> needs to be "decoded" to find the truth...... is it a tree
> or is it a door?

My knowledge does not come from books but from experience and a living adept. I use books to illustrate a point--to show that long gone mystics have experienced the same things I'm talking about. I'm perfectly content to toss the books and speak straight out about what I know. But people always want "back up". Validation. After all, it couldn't possibly be true simply because I say I know it, or have experienced it... But some dusty old book says the same thing, well hey--that's OK then.

> >>There really is no point in trying to justify or validate
> your seeking by
> trying to make Truth conform the to the OT.
>
> I thought you said truth is an illusion :

I believe I said truth is relative, until one goes beyond Mind. Not illusion-relative. Shades of gray...

> and you said:
>
> >>we must play
> the cards as they appear to be and make the right
> choices--that is choices
> that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another
> paradox, because
> everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> So whatever we do, we are growing spiritually - aren't
> we........even decoding dusty old books!

Yes. We are all going through what we must go through. But that doesn't mean I can't suggest something that might get one "there" sooner.

> In fact, it seems that your version of things can simply make
> and break it's own rules as you go along, to "justify or
> validate your seeking by trying to make Truth conform " to it.
>
> I am not harmed by Truth and do not fear it. In fact this is
> what I seek most. I don't need anybody to lie to me to spare
> my feelings, I am quite capable of deeling with reality here
> and now and not in some future Nirvana. But that's just me
> and thank Goodness that we don't all have to be "Smith's" so
> you can be you as well and we can discuss things without
> insult or taking offense.

I was not referring to lying about spirituality, but more mundane matters.
Truth is not absolute on this plane. There are higher truths that trump little white lies told to spare someone hurt. Be careful of getting hung up on truth or reading too much into a white lie. Like in medicine, the first rule is "do no harm."
All the best,
David

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Questions about Truth 555 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 106 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 99 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 135 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 102 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 99 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 111 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 120 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 109 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 100 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 91 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 115 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 110 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 112 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 105 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 114 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 109 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 97 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 95 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 89 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 110 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 128 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 100 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 109 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 125 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 105 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 97 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 117 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 98 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 100 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 108 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 113 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 122 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 119 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 98 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 94 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 113 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 99 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 101 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 125 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 110 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 99 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 133 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 97 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 98 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 108 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 107 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 97 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 114 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 103 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 98 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 103 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 85 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 115 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 116 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 112 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 122 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 127 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 101 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 118 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 118 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 102 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 99 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 106 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 104 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 102 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 118 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 97 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 106 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 134 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 134 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 106 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 98 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 115 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 118 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 91 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 123 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 103 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 95 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 97 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 125 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 119 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 138 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 104 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 139 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 95 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 92 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 110 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 90 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 122 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 118 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 91 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 105 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 105 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 119 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 112 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 132 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 97 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 94 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 108 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 152 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 105 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 108 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 393 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 104 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 97 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 115 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 101 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 112 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 104 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 104 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 97 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 108 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 102 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 126 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 113 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 117 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 119 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 114 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
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Re: Questions about Truth 89 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
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Re: Questions about Truth 103 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 117 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
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Re: Questions about Truth 111 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
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