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Banah

You wrote:
> Do you include Jesus as one of these Christs, and if so how do you
> explain the contradiction with your theory to these statements made
> by Jesus:
>
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to
> condemn the world; but that the world through him may be saved. 18
> He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not
> is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of
> the only begotten Son of God.
>...
And elsewhere you quote extensively from the New Testament.

However, are you sure you interpret what you read correctly?

It is written taht Jesus said to his disciples: "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to them it is not given; . . . therefore speak I to them in parables [or allegories]; because they seeing, see not, and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand."

Do we really fully understand the allegorical language of Jesus's day so well we can indisputably fathom its meaning unless we are on a par with the disciples?

Is the above quote from Matthew perhaps referring to the fact that Jesus expressed both an exoteric (for the masses) and an esoteric (for the disciples) teaching?

While the New Testament may contain much, it must always be remembered 1. that those writings which appear in it were selected (in a rather strange and suspicious manner at the council of Nicea) above many others; and 2. That the early church fathers - Origen, Iraeneus, Tertullian and others - constantly tampered with them, deleting or interpolating verses to prosecute their own agendas or hide the essentially pagan roots of Catholic rituals.

Even in this century, the New Testament has been recast in "more appropriate" language so many times that its possible the original sense is quite lost.

Therefore, rather than rattle off a dozen quotes, it might be more enlightening to explain what each one means, and why you are sure it means what you say.

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