>>Quoting references from the Bible as being authoritive of what Jesus said do not stand up to any credibility in this day and age.
I am quoting biblical references (mainly from John) as David referenced the book of John....... out of context.......
I do however not see any other source for what Jesus said other than the bible, and since there are 4 seperate books (all most likely being written before the fall of Jerusalem ie within 30years of Jesus walking among men) which all confirm Jesus words as written by each other, I find the lack of credulity astounding ...... how many manuscripts survive of what Plato said, and yet this is credulous?
>>Pass a story down the line via ten people and it doesn't come out anything like the first persons account.
Yes, this may be true in our day and age........ but these were the people who were there who wrote down what Jesus said - they were eyewitnesses. Jewish people of those times were practised in recollecting huge amounts of writings .... children of 12 years old could quote the pentateuch word for word....... the spoken word was not as flippant as it is today...