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Hi Banah,

I see the connections. Of course, these are giving rise to other connections . . .

Lol - now that you mention it, that passage from Song of Solomon IS astounding. My mindset was definitely not the same the last time I read it.

>>So we see that when taking the whole bible into account, this business of the trees turns out to be more than botany. It becomes clearer from these definitions that something more than a simple tree bearing apples is at the root of man’s fall. We have a diviner possesing knowledge that originates in consuming the fruits of the tree which in turn has the nature ( by virtue of it’s placement) of being able to sever the protective enclosure surrounding Adam and Eve. God’s command to not eat or even touch carries with it the warning that such action will surely result in death. Is it because their protection would be “severed” that God has given this commandment? And could it be that death is simply as result of this “severing” or ‘opening the door and allowing something, perhaps death, in?<<

Something simply stated as "death" works for me. The idea conveyed, however, is that some necessary restraint was loosed (door broken down) in their partaking of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The ground was cursed, certainly, condemning both Adam and Eve (and their posterity), it seems, to perpetual labor in the perpetual knowledge and fear of their immanent demise. But in a more general sense, in the ground being cursed, a clock seems to have been started for humanity and the world at large. In the context of your post, then, how did Adam -- and Eve -- err. Why was the fruit poisonous for them specifically, and for the creation generally? In what sense was all restraint loosed by their disobedience to God in this one matter (as opposed to the thousands of instances, for example, the tribes of Israel were disobedient to God)? What was/is so irrevocably fatal about the "way" of the knowledge of good and evil?

:)

Mark

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