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banah wrote:
>
> Hi David
>
> >>....,"An ego that is doomed to nonexistance
> > when the spiritual path is followed to its ultimate
> > end--merging with God,"........
> >I base it on the teachings of the mystics--Jesus......
>
> Now I am not familiar with the other "mystics", but I am
> familiar with Jesus... This is not what He said.

You should read them. Expand your knowledge of mysticism.
>
> Jesus claimed to be God incarnate (the I AM , the existing
> one, the YHWH who spoke to Moses in the burning bush),
> something which you don't seem to have read or heard of.

He said he was one with the Father and would would make his followers one with the Father. That is tantamount to merging with God.

> From another post of yours:
>
> >>As for "Christ", there have been thousands of Christs--all
> real--and there
> will be thousands more. And yes, we do need them--they are
> "the way".
> But they must be alive in the physical world, not dead for
> 2000 years.
>
> Do you include Jesus as one of these Christs, and if so how
> do you explain the contradiction with your theory to these
> statements made by Jesus:
>
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
> begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him should not
> perish, but have everlasting life.

That statement was made by the writer of the Gospel of John, not by Jesus, and yes I include Jesus. Of course...

> 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the
> world; but that the world through him may be saved.
> 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
> believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
> believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
> 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the
> world, and men have loved darkness rather than light, because
> their deeds were evil.
> 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither
> cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
> {reproved: or, discovered}
> 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his
> deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>
> Jesus states clearly that He is the only way to God, whoever
> does not believe this is condemned (only begotten son....)
>
> John 14:6 Jesus saith to him, I am the way, and the truth,
> and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me.
>
> John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot
> receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but
> ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
>
> John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send
> to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who
> proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify concerning me:

The Comforter is the Shabd, and confirms the reality of Jesus to his initiates in their meditation--inside.
>
> John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient
> for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter
> will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you.
>
> John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he
> will guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak
> from himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he
> speak: and he will show you things to come.
>
> John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
>
> John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they
> also may be sanctified through the truth. {sanctified…: or,
> truly sanctified}
>
> John 18:37 Pilate therefore said to him, Art thou a king
> then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this
> end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world,
> that I should bear witness to the truth. Every one that is of
> the truth heareth my voice.
>
> John 18:38 Pilate saith to him, What is truth?
>
> Jesus said that He left so that we might have direct access
> to God through the Holy Spirit. We are sanctified through
> truth which is God's word (logos) and Jesus is the word(logos).


All of these statement are true as far as they go. But Jesus was speaking only to his initiates, not the world.
He also said:
John 9:5
"As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

In other words, when I'm gone I'm no longer the light of the world. He would always be the Light to his own initiates, but not others.

And again:
Matthew 15:24
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

John 10:14
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. "

John 10:26
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you
He had come only for his marked sheep."

He had not come for everyone. No adept does...

There were adepts/masters before Jesus and after. There has never been a moment on the physical plane where there no living adepts available to the humans on the planet. The initiation of fire and water, Sound and Light, of the Comforter/Holy Spirit/Logos/Shabd can only be given to a human by an adept in the human form. This is why John the Baptist initiated Jesus, and Jesus said of John:
Matthew 11:11
"Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. "

This was his humble way of both praising the one who initiated him, and also telling his followers that they have the potential to be as God themselves. All mystics say the same--Rumi, Kabir, Nanak, etc. regardless of the culture or religion they come out of, whether east or west.

"In the Shabda Yoga tradition of India the methods of practice are communicated at the time of initiation by the Master. A Living Teacher, being fully acquainted with the 'landscape' of inner space, is able to impart to initiates valuable guidance on how to safely make the journey of ascension to the spiritual worlds during meditation practice inside. The details of Shabda Yoga practice are not found in books and aren't for sale, but are given to seekers by the Master at the time of initiation."


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Re: Questions about Truth 114 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 105 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 124 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 144 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
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Re: Questions about Truth 127 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
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Re: Questions about Truth 143 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
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Re: Questions about Truth 113 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 117 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 139 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 125 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 112 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 152 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 112 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 112 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 140 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 125 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 137 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 112 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 128 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 117 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 112 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 118 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 100 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
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Re: Questions about Truth 136 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
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Re: Questions about Truth 141 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
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Re: No such thing 115 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 115 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 130 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
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Re: Questions about Truth 119 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
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Re: Questions about Truth 132 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 112 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 122 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 157 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 149 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
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Re: Questions about Truth 111 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 111 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 139 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 137 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 156 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
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Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 156 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
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Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
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Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 166 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
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