> Hi David
> >>it's all relative, and we make our own rules.
> are you saying this is right.....to make our own rules?
I'm saying we have free will and we create our own destiny by our desires.
"Right or wrong" judgements. I will also say that "our "free will" is only apparent, but asx long as we are in the illusion of free choice we must play the cards as they appear to be and make the right choices--that is choices that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another paradox, because everything leas to growth eventually.
> If you are, then why is it that we supposedly have Karma to
> work out? If nothing we do is wrong, then why do we have
> Karma? If everything is simply relative to our point of view
> and there are no absolutes here and now, but only at God
> level, then nothing we do can possibly be wrong.... it is
> simply our perception of truth that we carry out....
Our karma that we work out is based on cause and effect--not punishment for "wrong". If we desire power, that will be worked out in future lives in which we experience having power and all the things it leads to. The "working out" is mostly the fulfillment of desires from past lives. This is true with relations with lovers and friends and children, etc. We desire them, then we get them then we create other karmic situations with them We miss them we long for them and bingo--we get them back again. It's tough merry-go-round to jump off of.
> There are 6 Billion people on planet earth and most of them
> agree on what is right and wrong - even in instances where no
> personal gain can be had from doing right, we still know what
> is right (in a general sense). I would say that the Absolute
> Truth has written these laws into our souls and that Truth is
> available here and now, if we would only listen to it.
Yes, the 6 billion create this "consciousness" by agreeing on certain things. The sky is blue, oranges taste like oranges, etc. But birds and other animals see color and objects diferently, experience taste differently than us, and for a shark, ripping another being to pieces is perfectly aceptable. And if you've noticed, not every human has the same notion of right and wrong. Not everyone is wrapped up in rules and "black and white". Saddam Hussein sees things differently than most of us, believing that torture was a perfectly suitable tool of government. We are all different. Wer bring to this birth the baggage of millions of lifetimes, and no two of us are the same. The only absolute truth is beyond the mental plane--"nirvana", or "trikuti", or "universal Mind"--whatever you want to call that state. Beyond that is Unity, and there is no duality, no separation,
no male or female...
And in the astral (which is also below Mind) there are other worlds, and those souls there create their own reality...and so on--until they grow out of it and progress to a finer state.