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banah wrote:
>
> Hi David
>
> >>it's all relative, and we make our own rules.
>
> are you saying this is right.....to make our own rules?

I'm saying we have free will and we create our own destiny by our desires.
"Right or wrong" judgements. I will also say that "our "free will" is only apparent, but asx long as we are in the illusion of free choice we must play the cards as they appear to be and make the right choices--that is choices that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another paradox, because everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> If you are, then why is it that we supposedly have Karma to
> work out? If nothing we do is wrong, then why do we have
> Karma? If everything is simply relative to our point of view
> and there are no absolutes here and now, but only at God
> level, then nothing we do can possibly be wrong.... it is
> simply our perception of truth that we carry out....

Our karma that we work out is based on cause and effect--not punishment for "wrong". If we desire power, that will be worked out in future lives in which we experience having power and all the things it leads to. The "working out" is mostly the fulfillment of desires from past lives. This is true with relations with lovers and friends and children, etc. We desire them, then we get them then we create other karmic situations with them We miss them we long for them and bingo--we get them back again. It's tough merry-go-round to jump off of.
>
> There are 6 Billion people on planet earth and most of them
> agree on what is right and wrong - even in instances where no
> personal gain can be had from doing right, we still know what
> is right (in a general sense). I would say that the Absolute
> Truth has written these laws into our souls and that Truth is
> available here and now, if we would only listen to it.

Yes, the 6 billion create this "consciousness" by agreeing on certain things. The sky is blue, oranges taste like oranges, etc. But birds and other animals see color and objects diferently, experience taste differently than us, and for a shark, ripping another being to pieces is perfectly aceptable. And if you've noticed, not every human has the same notion of right and wrong. Not everyone is wrapped up in rules and "black and white". Saddam Hussein sees things differently than most of us, believing that torture was a perfectly suitable tool of government. We are all different. Wer bring to this birth the baggage of millions of lifetimes, and no two of us are the same. The only absolute truth is beyond the mental plane--"nirvana", or "trikuti", or "universal Mind"--whatever you want to call that state. Beyond that is Unity, and there is no duality, no separation,
no male or female...
And in the astral (which is also below Mind) there are other worlds, and those souls there create their own reality...and so on--until they grow out of it and progress to a finer state.
David

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Questions about Truth 703 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 166 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 159 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 198 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 165 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 165 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 174 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 184 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 168 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 162 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 153 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 182 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 170 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 168 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 160 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 177 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 168 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 156 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 170 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 158 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 155 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 168 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 185 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 161 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 167 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 186 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 164 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 154 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 173 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 150 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 156 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 162 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 172 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 181 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 188 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 157 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 155 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 174 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 155 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 159 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 182 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 168 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 155 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 212 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 156 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 151 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 184 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 166 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 180 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 161 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 174 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 164 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 154 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 163 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 140 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 196 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 187 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 172 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 196 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 172 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 161 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 172 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 177 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 158 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 160 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 176 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 163 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 167 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 163 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 177 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 157 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 171 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 206 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 201 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 165 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 151 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 172 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 173 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 167 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 151 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 186 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 160 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 156 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 150 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 177 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 181 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 214 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 162 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 193 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 153 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 167 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 149 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 169 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 149 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 178 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 173 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 165 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 190 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 173 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 152 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 170 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 163 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 181 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 177 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 171 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 192 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 171 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 154 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 172 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 149 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 171 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 166 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 209 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 164 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 177 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 178 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 172 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 505 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 157 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 155 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 177 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 178 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 166 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 175 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 160 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 186 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 157 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 169 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 157 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 192 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 178 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 165 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 175 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 170 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 161 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 151 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 157 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 143 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 144 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 161 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 182 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
Re: Questions about Truth 164 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:15
Re: Questions about Truth 151 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 170 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 01:04
Re: Questions about Truth 181 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 160 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 177 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 160 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 169 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
Re: Questions about Truth 158 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:47
Re: Questions about Truth 160 Cesar 08-Feb-04 11:51


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