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banah wrote:
>
> Hi David
>
> >>it's all relative, and we make our own rules.
>
> are you saying this is right.....to make our own rules?

I'm saying we have free will and we create our own destiny by our desires.
"Right or wrong" judgements. I will also say that "our "free will" is only apparent, but asx long as we are in the illusion of free choice we must play the cards as they appear to be and make the right choices--that is choices that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another paradox, because everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> If you are, then why is it that we supposedly have Karma to
> work out? If nothing we do is wrong, then why do we have
> Karma? If everything is simply relative to our point of view
> and there are no absolutes here and now, but only at God
> level, then nothing we do can possibly be wrong.... it is
> simply our perception of truth that we carry out....

Our karma that we work out is based on cause and effect--not punishment for "wrong". If we desire power, that will be worked out in future lives in which we experience having power and all the things it leads to. The "working out" is mostly the fulfillment of desires from past lives. This is true with relations with lovers and friends and children, etc. We desire them, then we get them then we create other karmic situations with them We miss them we long for them and bingo--we get them back again. It's tough merry-go-round to jump off of.
>
> There are 6 Billion people on planet earth and most of them
> agree on what is right and wrong - even in instances where no
> personal gain can be had from doing right, we still know what
> is right (in a general sense). I would say that the Absolute
> Truth has written these laws into our souls and that Truth is
> available here and now, if we would only listen to it.

Yes, the 6 billion create this "consciousness" by agreeing on certain things. The sky is blue, oranges taste like oranges, etc. But birds and other animals see color and objects diferently, experience taste differently than us, and for a shark, ripping another being to pieces is perfectly aceptable. And if you've noticed, not every human has the same notion of right and wrong. Not everyone is wrapped up in rules and "black and white". Saddam Hussein sees things differently than most of us, believing that torture was a perfectly suitable tool of government. We are all different. Wer bring to this birth the baggage of millions of lifetimes, and no two of us are the same. The only absolute truth is beyond the mental plane--"nirvana", or "trikuti", or "universal Mind"--whatever you want to call that state. Beyond that is Unity, and there is no duality, no separation,
no male or female...
And in the astral (which is also below Mind) there are other worlds, and those souls there create their own reality...and so on--until they grow out of it and progress to a finer state.
David

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Questions about Truth 558 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 108 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 100 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 136 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 104 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 100 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 122 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 110 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 101 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 92 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 111 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 113 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 106 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 115 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 111 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 98 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 97 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 90 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 111 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 131 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 102 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 110 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 127 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 106 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 98 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 118 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 100 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 101 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 110 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 114 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 123 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 120 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 99 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 96 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 114 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 100 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 103 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 126 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 112 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 100 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 134 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 99 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 100 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 110 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 109 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 98 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 115 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 104 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 99 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 105 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 88 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 117 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 114 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 123 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 129 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 103 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 119 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 121 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 103 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 103 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 116 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 106 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 119 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 98 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 108 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 135 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 136 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 99 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 117 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 120 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 110 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 93 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 126 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 104 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 98 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 98 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 126 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 122 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 139 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 106 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 141 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 98 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 114 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 94 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 91 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 108 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 119 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 92 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 106 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 108 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 120 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 113 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 110 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 134 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 99 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 95 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 110 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 153 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 110 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 113 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 114 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 395 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 105 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 99 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 116 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 102 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 113 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 105 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 106 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 99 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 111 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 127 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 115 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 119 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 116 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 95 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 92 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 92 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 106 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 130 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
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Re: Questions about Truth 103 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
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Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 105 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 118 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 113 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
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