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banah wrote:
>
> Hi David
>
> >>it's all relative, and we make our own rules.
>
> are you saying this is right.....to make our own rules?

I'm saying we have free will and we create our own destiny by our desires.
"Right or wrong" judgements. I will also say that "our "free will" is only apparent, but asx long as we are in the illusion of free choice we must play the cards as they appear to be and make the right choices--that is choices that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another paradox, because everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> If you are, then why is it that we supposedly have Karma to
> work out? If nothing we do is wrong, then why do we have
> Karma? If everything is simply relative to our point of view
> and there are no absolutes here and now, but only at God
> level, then nothing we do can possibly be wrong.... it is
> simply our perception of truth that we carry out....

Our karma that we work out is based on cause and effect--not punishment for "wrong". If we desire power, that will be worked out in future lives in which we experience having power and all the things it leads to. The "working out" is mostly the fulfillment of desires from past lives. This is true with relations with lovers and friends and children, etc. We desire them, then we get them then we create other karmic situations with them We miss them we long for them and bingo--we get them back again. It's tough merry-go-round to jump off of.
>
> There are 6 Billion people on planet earth and most of them
> agree on what is right and wrong - even in instances where no
> personal gain can be had from doing right, we still know what
> is right (in a general sense). I would say that the Absolute
> Truth has written these laws into our souls and that Truth is
> available here and now, if we would only listen to it.

Yes, the 6 billion create this "consciousness" by agreeing on certain things. The sky is blue, oranges taste like oranges, etc. But birds and other animals see color and objects diferently, experience taste differently than us, and for a shark, ripping another being to pieces is perfectly aceptable. And if you've noticed, not every human has the same notion of right and wrong. Not everyone is wrapped up in rules and "black and white". Saddam Hussein sees things differently than most of us, believing that torture was a perfectly suitable tool of government. We are all different. Wer bring to this birth the baggage of millions of lifetimes, and no two of us are the same. The only absolute truth is beyond the mental plane--"nirvana", or "trikuti", or "universal Mind"--whatever you want to call that state. Beyond that is Unity, and there is no duality, no separation,
no male or female...
And in the astral (which is also below Mind) there are other worlds, and those souls there create their own reality...and so on--until they grow out of it and progress to a finer state.
David

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Questions about Truth 615 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 127 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 119 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 154 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 126 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 120 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 130 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 142 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 129 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 118 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 135 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 127 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 128 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 121 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 132 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 127 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 114 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 125 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 119 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 107 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 127 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 146 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 118 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 127 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 142 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 123 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 113 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 114 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 125 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 130 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 140 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 147 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 116 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 112 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 131 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 116 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 120 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 142 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 128 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 115 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 156 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 116 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 114 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 143 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 128 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 141 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 117 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 132 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 121 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 115 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 121 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 103 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 140 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 139 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 130 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 152 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 144 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 135 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 137 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 119 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 118 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 134 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 122 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 136 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 126 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 161 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 153 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 114 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 132 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 135 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 126 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 109 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 146 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 122 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 113 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 142 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 140 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 163 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 122 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 158 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 114 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 138 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 125 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 147 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 135 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 124 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 124 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 136 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 130 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 150 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 114 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 132 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 169 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 129 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 138 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 130 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 449 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 120 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 134 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 137 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 119 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 139 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 120 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 130 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 127 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 153 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 135 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 131 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 121 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 111 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 106 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 105 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 119 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 143 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
Re: Questions about Truth 123 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:15
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 133 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 01:04
Re: Questions about Truth 138 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 117 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 132 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 129 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
Re: Questions about Truth 118 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:47
Re: Questions about Truth 119 Cesar 08-Feb-04 11:51


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