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banah wrote:
>
> Hi David
>
> >>it's all relative, and we make our own rules.
>
> are you saying this is right.....to make our own rules?

I'm saying we have free will and we create our own destiny by our desires.
"Right or wrong" judgements. I will also say that "our "free will" is only apparent, but asx long as we are in the illusion of free choice we must play the cards as they appear to be and make the right choices--that is choices that lead to spirititual growth. But that's yet another paradox, because everything leas to growth eventually.
>
> If you are, then why is it that we supposedly have Karma to
> work out? If nothing we do is wrong, then why do we have
> Karma? If everything is simply relative to our point of view
> and there are no absolutes here and now, but only at God
> level, then nothing we do can possibly be wrong.... it is
> simply our perception of truth that we carry out....

Our karma that we work out is based on cause and effect--not punishment for "wrong". If we desire power, that will be worked out in future lives in which we experience having power and all the things it leads to. The "working out" is mostly the fulfillment of desires from past lives. This is true with relations with lovers and friends and children, etc. We desire them, then we get them then we create other karmic situations with them We miss them we long for them and bingo--we get them back again. It's tough merry-go-round to jump off of.
>
> There are 6 Billion people on planet earth and most of them
> agree on what is right and wrong - even in instances where no
> personal gain can be had from doing right, we still know what
> is right (in a general sense). I would say that the Absolute
> Truth has written these laws into our souls and that Truth is
> available here and now, if we would only listen to it.

Yes, the 6 billion create this "consciousness" by agreeing on certain things. The sky is blue, oranges taste like oranges, etc. But birds and other animals see color and objects diferently, experience taste differently than us, and for a shark, ripping another being to pieces is perfectly aceptable. And if you've noticed, not every human has the same notion of right and wrong. Not everyone is wrapped up in rules and "black and white". Saddam Hussein sees things differently than most of us, believing that torture was a perfectly suitable tool of government. We are all different. Wer bring to this birth the baggage of millions of lifetimes, and no two of us are the same. The only absolute truth is beyond the mental plane--"nirvana", or "trikuti", or "universal Mind"--whatever you want to call that state. Beyond that is Unity, and there is no duality, no separation,
no male or female...
And in the astral (which is also below Mind) there are other worlds, and those souls there create their own reality...and so on--until they grow out of it and progress to a finer state.
David

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Questions about Truth 651 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 145 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 172 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 142 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 138 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 147 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 159 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 144 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 135 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 125 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 155 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 144 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 147 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 139 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 152 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 144 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 133 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 143 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 136 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 125 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 144 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 164 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 135 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 144 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 159 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 139 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 130 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 152 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 128 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 141 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 147 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 155 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 163 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 134 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 130 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 148 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 132 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 139 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 159 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 145 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 132 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 180 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 131 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 130 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 160 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 144 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 158 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 134 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 151 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 138 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 131 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 137 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 120 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 162 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 154 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 147 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 169 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 150 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 138 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 150 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 154 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 136 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 136 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 153 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 141 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 141 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 138 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 151 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 133 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 145 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 181 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 170 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 141 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 130 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 150 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 153 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 142 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 126 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 163 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 138 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 131 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 131 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 157 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 157 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 181 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 139 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 173 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 132 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 144 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 145 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 154 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 145 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 143 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 165 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 152 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 126 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 142 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 139 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 153 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 148 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 146 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 169 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 143 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 131 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 150 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 144 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 143 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 185 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 141 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 149 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 157 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 147 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 464 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 136 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 133 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 153 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 153 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 137 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 155 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 137 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 149 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 142 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 167 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 153 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 141 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 153 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 150 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 139 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 128 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 123 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 138 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 159 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
Re: Questions about Truth 141 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:15
Re: Questions about Truth 131 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 151 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 01:04
Re: Questions about Truth 156 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 137 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 148 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 138 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 146 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:47
Re: Questions about Truth 135 Cesar 08-Feb-04 11:51


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