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Hi Mark,

I am busy writing a book - one chapter is on the trees. Here is a rough draught of some of my ideas for this chapter....... IO hope it makes sense, it could be out of context without the preceeding chapters... also the focus is more on the tree of knowledge and what it is.

Comments and crits most welcome

>>The word for tree :

Ue ‘ets ates

from 06095; TWOT-1670a; n m

AV-tree 162, wood 107, timber 23, stick 14, gallows 8, staff 4, stock 4, carpenter + 02796 2, branches 1, helve 1, planks 1, stalks 1; 328

1) tree, wood, timber, stock, plank, stalk, stick, gallows
1a) tree, trees
1b) wood, pieces of wood, gallows, firewood, cedar-wood, woody flax


comes from a root word:

atsah aw-tsaw’

a primitive root; TWOT-1669; v

AV-shut 1; 1

1) (Qal) to shut


The word “ets” translated as tree could mean wood, timber, planks or pieces of wood and in the context of the root meaning, is more likely something made from timber that is used for closing a space. So the tree whose placement ‘severed’ had the action of shutting or closing something…perhaps the protective enclosure (garden). Perhaps it was like a closed door. Until one actually opens the door, it is a protection against intruders. When the door is opened (fruit consumed), it is an opening for intruders (guilt?) to use.

If we look at later references to the word tree:

1 Samuel 31:13 And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.

The word used here is:
lva ‘eshel ay’-shel

from a root of uncertain signification; TWOT-179a; n m

AV-grove 1, tree 2; 3

Other words for tree are specific to type of tree eg: olive tree, fig tree, palm tree, cedar tree. The word Ue ‘ets ates is also often used when meaning literal trees, but often not:
Proverbs 15:4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness in it is a breach in the spirit. ( Consider the phrase breach in the spirit !)
Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
Now consider this verse:
1 Kings 6:34 And the two doors were of fir tree: the two leaves of the one door were folding, and the two leaves of the other door were folding.

This door has leaves? The word for tree used here is Ue ‘ets ates, but clearly it is meant to be used as wood and not tree. Consider this verse:

2 Chronicles 2:8 Send me also cedar trees, fir trees, and algum trees, out of Lebanon: for I know that thy servants have skill to cut timber in Lebanon; and, behold, my servants shall be with thy servants,

The word fir trees is :
vwrb b@rowsh ber-osh’

of uncertain derivation; TWOT-289a; n m

AV-fir tree 13, fir 7; 20

1) cypress, fir, juniper, pine
1a) a noble tree (lit.)

Now look at this verse:

1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.
2 Wail, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are laid waste: wail, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down.

Lets look at the words for doors and leaves used in the above verses:

The word for door:

tld deleth deh’-leth

from 01802; TWOT-431a, e; n f

AV-doors 69, gates 14, leaves 4, lid 1; 88

The word for leaves:

elu tsela‘ tsay-law’ or (fem.) helu tsal‘ah tsal-aw’

from 06760; TWOT-1924a; n f

AV-side 19, chamber 11, boards 2, corners 2, rib 2, another 1, beams 1, halting 1, leaves 1, planks 1; 41

1) side, rib, beam
1a) rib (of man)
1b) rib (of hill, ridge, etc)
1c) side-chambers or cells (of temple structure)
1d) rib, plank, board (of cedar or fir)
1e) leaves (of door)
1f) side (of ark)

As we see, both words can mean leaves. So even if we read a sentence which says the tree with leaves, it could just as likely mean the door with planks. In fact this word is also used for adam's rib from which Eve was made.


As mentioned above, most trees have specific names eg: Olive tree:



tyz zayith zay’-yith

probably from an unused root [akin to 02099]; TWOT-548

AV-olive 17, olive tree 14, oliveyard 6, olivet 1; 38

n m
1) olive, olive tree
1a) olive tree
1b) olives

as in this verse:
Deuteronomy 6:11 And houses full of all good things, which thou didst not fill, and dug wells, which thou didst not dig, vineyards and olive trees, which thou didst not plant; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;

But, then we have other verses with the words Olive tree :

Haggai 2:19 Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you.
Where the word for olive tree is not the same, but two words :

Olive:
tyz zayith zay’-yith

probably from an unused root [akin to 02099]; TWOT-548

AV-olive 17, olive tree 14, oliveyard 6, olivet 1; 38

n m
1) olive, olive tree
1a) olive tree
1b) olives

and the word for tree:

Ue ‘ets ates

from 06095; TWOT-1670a; n m

AV-tree 162, wood 107, timber 23, stick 14, gallows 8, staff 4, stock 4, carpenter + 02796 2, branches 1, helve 1, planks 1, stalks 1; 328

Which in essence is saying : “Olive tree tree”.

Clearly there is much confusion when referencing trees, doors and leaves. If one looks at these words in the New Testament, which, although not ancient, nevertheless reflects the customary use of words, it is possible to make a little more sense of their usage in the context of the bible as a whole.
The Greek word for tree used in the New Testament is:


dendron dendron den’-dron

probably from drus (an oak); ; n n

AV-tree 26; 26

1) a tree

But other words can be used to indicate “tree”:

Luke 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

xulon xulon xoo’-lon
from another form of the base of 3582; TDNT-5:37,665; n n

AV-tree 10, staff 5, wood 3, stocks 1; 19

1) wood
1a) that which is made of wood
1a1) as a beam from which any one is suspended, a gibbet, a cross
1a2) a log or timber with holes in which the feet, hands, neck of prisoners were inserted and fastened with thongs
1a3) a fetter, or shackle for the feet
1a4) a cudgel, stick, staff
2) a tree

In the above verse, it is more likely that it should be translated as wood since the word translated as green implies wet more than the colour green. Nevertheless, it is far from clear.

The word used as tree above is the word used for the cross on which Jesus was crucified as well as for this tree:

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
The word used here for paradise is:

3857 paradeisov paradeisos par-ad’-i-sos

of Oriental origin cf odrp, 06508; TDNT-5:765,777; n m

AV-paradise 3; 3

1) among the Persians a grand enclosure or preserve, hunting ground, park, shady and well watered, in which wild animals, were kept for the hunt; it was enclosed by walls and furnished with towers for the hunters

and it comes from the word:

odrp pardec par-dace’

of foreign origin, Greek 3857 paradeisov; TWOT-1808; n m

AV-orchard 2, forest 1; 3

1) park, preserve, enclosed garden, forest

So here the tree of life is in paradise, which is an “enclosed preserve”. Perhaps you will recall my mentioning earlier that ancient Middle Eastern “gardens” were more like enclosures than like our modern day gardens. The word paradise confirms my theory that the “gan” was actually an enclosure of sorts and not necessarily one in which plants were cultivated. We see this word used in context in:

Song of Solomon 4:
12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed. {inclosed: Heb. barred} {shut up: Heb. barred}
13 Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard, {camphire: or, cypress}
14 Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:
15 A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.
16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.
1 I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved. {yea…: or, and be drunken with loves}
2 I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.
3 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him. {for him: or, (as some read) in me}
5 I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock. {sweet…: Heb. passing, or, running about}
6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.
7 The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.

A full interpretation of the implications of this passage is astounding, but not within the scope of this book. Suffice it to say that the implied references to the story of Eden are many.


The word odrp pardec par-dace’ is the word orchard ( 4:13 ).

Other references in Revelation to tree use the word dendron and not xulon, except where the tree of life is concerned.
Rev 22:
1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of its street, and on each side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bore twelve kinds of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

How could the tree of life be on either side of the street unless there were more than one tree of life which clearly cannot be the case in context of the whole bible? The only other alternative is that this tree is something other than a botanical specimen.

In this passage, water can alternatively be translated as people, fruits as offspring, leaves can referr to persons descending from one of the twelve sons of the patriarch, Jacob and healing can also mean service rendered by one to another .

In Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and immoral persons, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loveth and maketh a lie.

We see that the tree of life is in an enclosed city whose gates are shut at some stage. Perhaps the tree of life is the door through which one must enter into God’s presence.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say to you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 10:2 But he that entereth by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
John 10:7 Then said Jesus to them again, Verily, verily, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man shall enter, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up here, and I will show thee things which must be after this.

This seems to make sense when one considers that the word used for tree, xulon, is only used in connection with the cross (by which Jesus overcame death) and for the “tree” of life. Jesus on the cross is the door. The cross alone is not enough, nor does Jesus the man qualify as a doorway to paradise. It is only the sacrifice of life that can create that doorway and the one who is the sacrifice becomes the door. He holds the key:

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Isaiah 22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

So we see that when taking the whole bible into account, this business of the trees turns out to be more than botany. It becomes clearer from these definitions that something more than a simple tree bearing apples is at the root of man’s fall. We have a diviner possesing knowledge that originates in consuming the fruits of the tree which in turn has the nature ( by virtue of it’s placement) of being able to sever the protective enclosure surrounding Adam and Eve. God’s command to not eat or even touch carries with it the warning that such action will surely result in death. Is it because their protection would be “severed” that God has given this commandment? And could it be that death is simply as result of this “severing” or ‘opening the door and allowing something, perhaps death, in?

Blessings
Banah

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