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> adequatedane wrote: I'd like to pose questions about what others feel or > think about truth.What is truth?

"Truth" is different things for different people, depending on their perspective. Thus a scientist understands "truth" differently to a priest (though they both use unconscionable means to defend their "truth turf"). On other levels a mathematician understands mathematical "truth"; an artist, artistic "truth".

Most people distinguish "truth" from an untruth. This is the most commonly held notion of "truth". This is quickly and easily elevated to a hypothesis of so-called "relative truth". One could then say that though two people or groups see things differently, what they see is legitimately "the truth" to each of them, though considered differently by the other. But this is more like point of view. Each person finds their own point of view agreeable, the others disagreeable. A third party sees that each is "right" in their own way and concludes that one man's meat is another mans poison. Therefore truth is relative.

But none of these things is about Truth. Truth must logically be mutually exclusive; two separate aspects cannot co-exist. It either is, or it is not True.

According to this view, there can be only one version of truth, that is - The Truth. How do we know that this highly prized virtue is seriously lacking on Earth? Just because we need to ask the question: "What is truth".

I read somewhere, cant recall right now, that the Buddha (or some great Buhhdist) is reputed to have said something paradoxically along the lines of: "there is only one truth on Earth: that nothing is true".

Theosophy and other oriental philosophies assert that only what is eternal and unchangeable can be True. All else is illusion. Only the causless cause, the Great Spirit, That which is but which is not, is (and exemplifies) Truth. Therefore though much can be learnt and known about the material world, it is only truth so far as it is known (derived) from The Truth. That which is derived from knowledge of the illusion is likewise illusion.

So what seems to be an obvious truth to those of us mired in illusion, such as for example that one day follows another in a linear fashion, might be a complete fiction from an eternal unchangabel point of view (past, present and future occur simultaneously - within the indivisible, timeless, causeless, boundless singularity.)

On the other hand, mortals, are supposed to be able to sense that truth, some are lucky enough to glimpse it. Usually they wish for more and in their pursuit of it make successive approximations, each hopefully nearer than the last, to The Truth (a kind of relativity, I guess) thus gaining and growing in that knowledge which carries them towards the Truth.

Or something like that...
Cheers, Zurg

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Questions about Truth 559 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 108 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 100 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 136 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 104 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 100 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 115 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 123 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 110 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 101 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 92 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 117 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 111 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 113 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 106 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 115 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 111 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 98 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 97 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 90 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 112 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 131 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 102 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 110 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 127 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 106 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 98 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 118 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 100 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 101 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 110 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 115 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 123 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 120 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 99 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 96 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 114 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 100 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 103 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 126 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 112 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 100 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 134 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 100 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 100 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 125 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 110 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 109 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 98 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 116 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 104 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 100 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 106 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 88 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 117 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 115 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 124 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 129 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 103 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 119 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 121 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 103 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 103 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 116 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 107 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 119 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 100 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 108 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 135 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 136 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 109 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 99 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 117 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 120 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 110 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 93 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 127 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 106 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 98 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 98 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 126 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 122 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 139 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 106 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 141 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 98 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 114 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 94 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 91 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 108 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 119 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 92 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 121 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 113 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 110 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 134 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 99 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 95 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 112 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 153 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 110 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 113 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 114 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 396 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 105 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 99 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 116 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 102 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 113 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 105 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 106 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 100 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 111 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 127 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 119 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 116 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 95 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 92 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 92 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 107 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 130 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
Re: Questions about Truth 110 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:15
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 120 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 01:04
Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 105 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 118 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 108 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
Re: Questions about Truth 106 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:47
Re: Questions about Truth 106 Cesar 08-Feb-04 11:51


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