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> adequatedane wrote: I'd like to pose questions about what others feel or > think about truth.What is truth?

"Truth" is different things for different people, depending on their perspective. Thus a scientist understands "truth" differently to a priest (though they both use unconscionable means to defend their "truth turf"). On other levels a mathematician understands mathematical "truth"; an artist, artistic "truth".

Most people distinguish "truth" from an untruth. This is the most commonly held notion of "truth". This is quickly and easily elevated to a hypothesis of so-called "relative truth". One could then say that though two people or groups see things differently, what they see is legitimately "the truth" to each of them, though considered differently by the other. But this is more like point of view. Each person finds their own point of view agreeable, the others disagreeable. A third party sees that each is "right" in their own way and concludes that one man's meat is another mans poison. Therefore truth is relative.

But none of these things is about Truth. Truth must logically be mutually exclusive; two separate aspects cannot co-exist. It either is, or it is not True.

According to this view, there can be only one version of truth, that is - The Truth. How do we know that this highly prized virtue is seriously lacking on Earth? Just because we need to ask the question: "What is truth".

I read somewhere, cant recall right now, that the Buddha (or some great Buhhdist) is reputed to have said something paradoxically along the lines of: "there is only one truth on Earth: that nothing is true".

Theosophy and other oriental philosophies assert that only what is eternal and unchangeable can be True. All else is illusion. Only the causless cause, the Great Spirit, That which is but which is not, is (and exemplifies) Truth. Therefore though much can be learnt and known about the material world, it is only truth so far as it is known (derived) from The Truth. That which is derived from knowledge of the illusion is likewise illusion.

So what seems to be an obvious truth to those of us mired in illusion, such as for example that one day follows another in a linear fashion, might be a complete fiction from an eternal unchangabel point of view (past, present and future occur simultaneously - within the indivisible, timeless, causeless, boundless singularity.)

On the other hand, mortals, are supposed to be able to sense that truth, some are lucky enough to glimpse it. Usually they wish for more and in their pursuit of it make successive approximations, each hopefully nearer than the last, to The Truth (a kind of relativity, I guess) thus gaining and growing in that knowledge which carries them towards the Truth.

Or something like that...
Cheers, Zurg

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Questions about Truth 612 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 126 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 118 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 154 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 125 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 120 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 130 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 142 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 128 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 118 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 107 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 127 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 128 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 121 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 132 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 127 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 114 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 125 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 118 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 107 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 126 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 145 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 118 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 126 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 141 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 122 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 113 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 114 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 116 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 124 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 129 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 139 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 146 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 116 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 112 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 129 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 116 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 120 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 142 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 128 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 115 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 156 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 115 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 114 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 143 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 128 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 139 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 116 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 131 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 120 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 115 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 120 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 102 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 140 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 138 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 130 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 150 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 144 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 119 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 135 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 136 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 119 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 118 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 134 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 121 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 119 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 135 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 125 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 160 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 153 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 114 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 132 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 135 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 124 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 108 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 146 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 121 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 114 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 113 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 141 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 140 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 162 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 121 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 158 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 114 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 109 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 107 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 138 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 124 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 146 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 134 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 108 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 124 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 136 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 130 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 149 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 125 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 114 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 132 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 111 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 127 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 169 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 122 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 129 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 138 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 129 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 446 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 120 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 115 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 133 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 119 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 139 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 120 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 129 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 114 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 126 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 119 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 153 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 135 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 131 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 120 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 111 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 118 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 106 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 104 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 119 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 143 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
Re: Questions about Truth 123 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:15
Re: Questions about Truth 115 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 133 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 01:04
Re: Questions about Truth 137 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 117 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 131 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 121 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 127 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
Re: Questions about Truth 118 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:47
Re: Questions about Truth 118 Cesar 08-Feb-04 11:51


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