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> adequatedane wrote: I'd like to pose questions about what others feel or > think about truth.What is truth?

"Truth" is different things for different people, depending on their perspective. Thus a scientist understands "truth" differently to a priest (though they both use unconscionable means to defend their "truth turf"). On other levels a mathematician understands mathematical "truth"; an artist, artistic "truth".

Most people distinguish "truth" from an untruth. This is the most commonly held notion of "truth". This is quickly and easily elevated to a hypothesis of so-called "relative truth". One could then say that though two people or groups see things differently, what they see is legitimately "the truth" to each of them, though considered differently by the other. But this is more like point of view. Each person finds their own point of view agreeable, the others disagreeable. A third party sees that each is "right" in their own way and concludes that one man's meat is another mans poison. Therefore truth is relative.

But none of these things is about Truth. Truth must logically be mutually exclusive; two separate aspects cannot co-exist. It either is, or it is not True.

According to this view, there can be only one version of truth, that is - The Truth. How do we know that this highly prized virtue is seriously lacking on Earth? Just because we need to ask the question: "What is truth".

I read somewhere, cant recall right now, that the Buddha (or some great Buhhdist) is reputed to have said something paradoxically along the lines of: "there is only one truth on Earth: that nothing is true".

Theosophy and other oriental philosophies assert that only what is eternal and unchangeable can be True. All else is illusion. Only the causless cause, the Great Spirit, That which is but which is not, is (and exemplifies) Truth. Therefore though much can be learnt and known about the material world, it is only truth so far as it is known (derived) from The Truth. That which is derived from knowledge of the illusion is likewise illusion.

So what seems to be an obvious truth to those of us mired in illusion, such as for example that one day follows another in a linear fashion, might be a complete fiction from an eternal unchangabel point of view (past, present and future occur simultaneously - within the indivisible, timeless, causeless, boundless singularity.)

On the other hand, mortals, are supposed to be able to sense that truth, some are lucky enough to glimpse it. Usually they wish for more and in their pursuit of it make successive approximations, each hopefully nearer than the last, to The Truth (a kind of relativity, I guess) thus gaining and growing in that knowledge which carries them towards the Truth.

Or something like that...
Cheers, Zurg

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Questions about Truth 647 adequatedane 24-Jan-04 10:24
Re: Questions about Truth 142 Segestan 24-Jan-04 14:00
Re: Questions about Truth 132 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:38
Re: Questions about Truth 169 gene douglas 24-Jan-04 14:57
Re: Questions about Truth 139 Alex S 25-Jan-04 01:13
Re: Questions about Truth 135 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 04:04
Re: Questions about Truth 144 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:18
Re: Questions about Truth 155 gene douglas 26-Jan-04 02:14
Re: Questions about Truth 141 Alex S 27-Jan-04 01:57
Re: Questions about Truth 132 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Questions about Truth 122 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:34
Re: Questions about Truth 151 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 08:42
Re: Questions about Truth 141 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 10:05
Re: Questions about Truth 144 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 11:21
Re: Questions about Truth 136 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 15:40
Re: Questions about Truth 149 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 16:14
Re: Questions about Truth 141 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 17:06
Re: Questions about Truth 130 gene douglas 25-Jan-04 21:51
Re: Questions about Truth 140 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:50
Re: Questions about Truth 133 David L 24-Jan-04 15:55
Re: Questions about Truth 122 newrisingsun 24-Jan-04 17:32
Re: Questions about Truth 140 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:40
Re: Questions about Truth 161 David L 25-Jan-04 03:46
Re: Questions about Truth 133 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:45
Re: Questions about Truth 140 David L 25-Jan-04 20:49
Re: Questions about Truth 156 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:37
Re: Questions about Truth 136 David L 25-Jan-04 17:31
Re: Questions about Truth 128 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 22:55
Re: Questions about Truth 149 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 23:04
Re: Questions about Truth 125 David L 28-Jan-04 23:28
Re: Questions about Truth 131 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:01
Re: Questions about Truth 138 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:26
Re: Questions about Truth 144 David L 30-Jan-04 03:24
Re: Questions about Truth 153 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:48
Re: Questions about Truth 160 David L 30-Jan-04 22:32
Re: Questions about Truth 130 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 00:30
Re: Questions about Truth 127 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:01
Re: Questions about Truth 144 David L 30-Jan-04 22:24
Re: Questions about Truth 129 banah 31-Jan-04 09:13
Re: Questions about Truth 135 David L 31-Jan-04 14:20
Re: Questions about Truth 156 banah 31-Jan-04 20:20
Re: Questions about Truth 143 David L 01-Feb-04 01:59
Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 129 Richard Fusniak 01-Feb-04 14:28
Re: Jesus didn't say anything of the sort 177 banah 01-Feb-04 17:21
Re: Questions about Truth 128 Zurg 03-Feb-04 08:12
Re: Questions about Truth 127 banah 04-Feb-04 10:58
Re: Questions about Truth 158 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:17
Re: Questions about Truth 141 banah 31-Jan-04 09:20
Re: Questions about Truth 153 David L 30-Jan-04 03:26
We don't live in a "true or false" world... 131 David L 30-Jan-04 03:30
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 146 banah 31-Jan-04 09:27
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 134 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:53
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 128 David L 31-Jan-04 13:38
Re: We don't live in a "true or false" world... 134 banah 31-Jan-04 20:47
Re: Questions about Truth 115 RichardC 24-Jan-04 23:50
Re: Questions about Truth 159 adequatedane 25-Jan-04 09:48
Re: Questions about Truth 150 RichardC 25-Jan-04 19:49
Re: Questions about Truth 143 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:00
Re: Questions about Truth 165 RichardC 26-Jan-04 23:32
Re: Questions about Truth 150 banah 25-Jan-04 17:56
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:24
No such thing 148 Nejc 25-Jan-04 23:13
Re: No such thing 149 adequatedane 26-Jan-04 23:40
Re: No such thing 133 Alex S 27-Jan-04 14:13
Re: No such thing 132 gene douglas 27-Jan-04 19:01
Re: Questions about Truth 150 Mark Staab 25-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 137 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Questions about Truth 137 Mark Staab 27-Jan-04 02:00
Re: Questions about Truth 134 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:40
Re: Questions about Truth 148 banah 30-Jan-04 19:40
Re: Questions about Truth 130 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 142 banah 31-Jan-04 11:05
Re: Questions about Truth 177 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 06:33
Re: Questions about Truth 167 banah 01-Feb-04 11:48
Re: Questions about Truth 137 adequatedane 01-Feb-04 16:06
Re: Questions about Truth 127 banah 01-Feb-04 17:25
Re: Questions about Truth 146 adequatedane 02-Feb-04 23:58
Re: Questions about Truth 149 banah 04-Feb-04 11:04
Re: Questions about Truth 138 adequatedane 05-Feb-04 22:26
Re: Questions about Truth 122 banah 07-Feb-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 160 adequatedane 07-Feb-04 14:47
Re: ps 134 banah 01-Feb-04 17:29
Re: Questions about Truth 129 Mark Staab 01-Feb-04 23:42
Re: Questions about Truth 127 banah 04-Feb-04 11:07
Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 153 David L 01-Feb-04 21:33
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 154 Mark Staab 02-Feb-04 02:09
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 177 David L 02-Feb-04 23:50
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 135 Mark Staab 03-Feb-04 05:57
Re: Tree of knowledge is the kundalini shakti 170 David L 03-Feb-04 16:11
Regarding the Old Testament... 128 David L 03-Feb-04 16:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 141 banah 04-Feb-04 10:45
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 David L 04-Feb-04 13:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 142 Mark Staab 05-Feb-04 00:38
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 120 David L 05-Feb-04 01:07
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 151 banah 05-Feb-04 16:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 143 David L 05-Feb-04 19:51
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 139 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 161 David L 06-Feb-04 01:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 149 wirelessguru1 06-Feb-04 02:24
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 123 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:36
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 140 adequatedane 06-Feb-04 14:09
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 136 David L 06-Feb-04 18:37
Who speaks the truth... 150 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 01:37
Re: Who speaks the truth... 145 David L 07-Feb-04 06:12
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 143 banah 07-Feb-04 13:05
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 165 David L 07-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 139 Anne-Marie 06-Feb-04 07:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 128 wirelessguru1 07-Feb-04 02:28
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 146 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 08:19
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 124 banah 07-Feb-04 13:13
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 140 David L 07-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 140 Cesar 07-Feb-04 17:22
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 183 David L 07-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 137 Anne-Marie 07-Feb-04 19:59
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 147 David L 07-Feb-04 22:01
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 154 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 19:23
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 143 Anne-Marie 08-Feb-04 20:18
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 463 wirelessguru1 08-Feb-04 21:08
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 133 Cesar 08-Feb-04 18:31
Re: Regarding the Old Testament... 129 David L 08-Feb-04 19:15
Re: Questions about Truth 149 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 01:32
Re: Questions about Truth 150 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Questions about Truth 134 Caduceus 29-Jan-04 04:12
Re: Questions about Truth 152 xiang 27-Jan-04 03:16
Re: Questions about Truth 134 Caduceus 27-Jan-04 10:53
Re: Questions about Truth 146 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 17:49
Re: Questions about Truth 130 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 22:13
Re: Questions about Truth 140 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 22:28
Re: Questions about Truth 133 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:16
Re: Questions about Truth 165 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:04
Re: Questions about Truth 150 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 141 xiang 28-Jan-04 01:50
Re: Questions about Truth 151 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 21:55
Re: Questions about Truth 147 wirelessguru1 27-Jan-04 07:57
Re: Questions about Truth 136 adequatedane 27-Jan-04 23:24
Re: Questions about Truth 125 wirelessguru1 28-Jan-04 00:24
Re: Questions about Truth 132 adequatedane 28-Jan-04 22:22
Re: Questions about Truth 120 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Questions about Truth 121 adequatedane 29-Jan-04 23:35
Re: Questions about Truth 136 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 23:56
Re: Questions about Truth 156 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 02:19
Re: Questions about Truth 138 wirelessguru1 30-Jan-04 03:15
Re: Questions about Truth 129 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 21:32
Re: Questions about Truth 148 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 01:04
Re: Questions about Truth 153 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 09:23
Re: Questions about Truth 133 wirelessguru1 31-Jan-04 19:33
Re: Questions about Truth 144 Zurg 30-Jan-04 13:19
Re: Questions about Truth 135 adequatedane 30-Jan-04 22:07
Re: Questions about Truth 143 Dominick Ohrbeck 30-Jan-04 21:39
Re: Questions about Truth 131 adequatedane 31-Jan-04 10:47
Re: Questions about Truth 131 Cesar 08-Feb-04 11:51


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