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Cleopatra wrote:
>
> Hi, interesting discussion.
>
> Aren't you both correct? Isn't water usually symbolic of the
> soul or psyche and sometimes the holy spirit? Isn't the water
> Jesus gives at the well to quench their thirst forever, the
> Holy Spirit or the Christ consciousness, the divine source in
> the heart center, the divine Word, the holy grail, etc?
> Whereas the water drawn to quench earthly desire leaves one
> always in need of more.

100% correct.
>
> Isn't this what Jesus is talking about in John?
Yes.

> It appears he uses water to teach things about spiritual
> truths about ourselves. Isn't water into wine symbolic of the
> spiritualisation of ones soul?
It may have been, but it was also probably an actual of incident of Jesus making parshad--blessed food, which becomes changed to Shabd, or Holy Spirit, but yet appears the same-"transubstantiation."

Isn't the walking on water
> symbolic of the Christ consciousness having mastered the
> emotions or psyche, having fully spiritualised it? He uses
> water in different ways, from different perspectives, but
> essentially its always symbolic of things related to our soul
> in relation to the holy spirit.

I agree. Water symbolizes the Holy Spirit--which I call the Word or Shabd--but then that is what is imparted to the initiate by the initiator.
David

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