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Hi David,

> If you research "Shabd path", "Logos", Rumi, Kabir, Nanak,
> Tulsi Sahib, Charan Singh, Mira Bai, read the Adi Granth,
> read most sufi literature, you will find plenty of back-up
> for the need for a living adept, or "master". This is what
> Jesus meant meant when he referred to himself as a door, and
> also said "I am the way." He didn't mean he was the way for
> everyone, just his initiates--the apostles, etc.

You really ought to read the context, David, of the scriptures you quote. Jesus was not the "door" only for initiates. He said, "by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved".

So there you are David. Any man, not any initiate.

"Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." - John 10:7-10

regards
Rob

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