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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".


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reincarnation 660 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 215 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 173 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 198 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 185 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 175 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 205 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 195 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 158 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 196 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 187 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 184 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 195 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 149 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 192 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 180 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 163 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 175 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 170 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 182 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 201 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 208 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 192 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 188 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 164 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 182 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 218 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 221 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 179 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 197 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 203 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 190 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 178 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 166 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 183 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 191 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 190 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 169 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 181 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 191 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 187 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 183 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 199 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 180 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 169 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 142 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 194 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 187 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 137 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 239 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 330 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 256 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 202 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 259 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 199 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 177 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 199 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 182 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 189 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 425 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 165 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 162 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 161 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 176 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 177 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 211 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 197 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 175 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 175 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 154 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 201 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 191 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 164 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 219 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 191 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 341 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 191 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 203 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 167 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 182 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 154 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 286 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 150 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 183 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 165 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 147 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 165 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 209 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 168 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 199 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 180 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 161 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 177 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 169 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 151 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 187 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 165 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 168 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 169 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 181 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 170 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 170 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 167 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 195 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 155 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 173 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 238 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 180 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 174 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 201 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 163 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 183 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 171 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 168 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 162 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38

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