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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 492 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 150 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 127 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 128 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 115 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 115 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 135 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 139 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 109 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 135 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 129 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 126 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 143 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 101 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 118 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 122 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 106 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 118 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 116 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 120 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 137 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 134 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 129 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 133 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 121 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 132 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 162 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 128 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 135 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 141 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 144 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 129 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 130 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 124 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 115 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 133 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 127 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 122 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 130 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 124 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 128 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 123 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 134 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 126 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 126 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 92 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 119 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 115 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 95 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 172 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 262 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 186 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 136 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 195 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 141 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 123 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 154 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 117 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 131 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 365 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 107 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 105 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 101 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 115 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 121 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 139 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 131 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 114 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 110 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 95 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 139 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 126 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 99 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 153 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 136 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 238 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 126 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 124 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 112 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 122 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 109 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 219 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 95 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 124 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 106 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 102 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 113 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 163 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 111 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 134 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 118 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 103 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 127 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 122 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 103 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 124 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 118 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 108 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 106 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 121 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 129 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 111 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 124 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 133 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 98 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 119 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 166 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 136 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 117 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 145 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 111 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 129 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 116 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 125 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 108 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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