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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 589 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 188 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 150 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 171 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 158 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 148 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 177 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 170 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 135 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 169 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 161 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 154 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 171 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 127 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 163 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 154 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 141 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 148 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 146 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 156 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 172 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 176 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 165 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 163 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 142 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 155 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 194 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 170 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 157 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 171 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 176 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 162 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 155 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 144 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 152 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 168 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 165 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 145 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 159 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 165 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 160 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 157 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 173 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 159 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 146 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 118 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 157 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 156 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 114 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 196 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 307 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 226 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 172 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 230 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 174 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 151 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 174 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 157 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 165 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 399 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 140 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 137 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 135 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 150 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 155 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 176 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 169 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 152 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 147 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 126 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 173 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 165 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 135 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 191 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 169 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 298 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 164 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 170 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 141 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 157 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 132 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 261 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 126 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 159 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 137 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 125 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 140 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 188 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 142 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 168 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 154 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 136 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 153 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 144 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 125 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 161 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 142 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 141 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 143 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 154 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 148 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 143 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 146 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 172 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 130 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 148 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 210 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 157 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 150 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 179 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 143 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 161 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 148 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 147 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 138 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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