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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 689 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 224 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 184 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 208 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 198 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 184 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 214 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 206 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 169 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 204 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 197 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 195 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 205 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 158 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 204 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 194 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 174 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 184 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 182 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 191 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 211 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 220 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 201 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 197 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 174 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 193 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 230 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 232 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 190 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 207 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 212 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 200 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 189 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 175 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 194 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 201 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 202 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 181 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 192 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 202 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 198 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 192 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 209 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 189 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 179 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 151 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 205 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 197 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 147 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 249 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 341 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 265 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 213 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 268 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 209 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 188 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 210 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 193 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 200 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 433 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 174 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 173 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 172 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 187 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 188 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 223 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 208 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 184 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 184 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 165 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 210 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 204 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 174 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 231 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 200 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 362 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 201 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 212 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 178 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 192 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 163 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 298 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 161 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 194 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 179 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 157 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 175 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 222 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 178 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 209 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 193 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 174 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 187 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 181 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 162 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 195 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 176 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 177 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 181 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 192 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 181 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 179 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 178 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 204 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 164 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 184 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 248 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 192 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 182 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 211 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 173 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 192 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 181 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 178 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 172 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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