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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 631 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 205 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 165 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 189 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 176 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 164 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 195 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 187 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 149 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 188 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 178 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 171 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 184 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 141 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 182 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 171 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 155 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 164 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 163 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 173 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 195 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 198 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 183 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 180 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 156 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 172 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 209 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 191 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 171 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 188 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 193 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 181 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 171 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 159 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 173 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 185 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 183 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 160 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 172 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 182 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 180 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 175 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 191 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 174 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 160 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 134 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 178 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 179 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 128 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 214 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 323 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 246 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 195 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 250 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 192 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 170 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 189 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 175 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 181 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 415 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 155 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 153 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 153 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 168 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 169 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 196 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 187 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 168 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 166 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 146 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 191 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 182 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 156 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 210 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 185 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 326 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 181 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 193 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 158 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 173 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 146 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 279 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 143 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 175 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 156 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 139 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 155 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 203 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 160 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 190 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 171 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 153 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 170 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 163 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 140 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 179 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 156 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 162 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 161 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 174 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 163 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 162 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 160 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 189 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 145 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 167 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 233 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 174 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 168 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 194 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 158 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 177 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 165 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 160 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 156 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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