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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 434 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 139 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 117 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 114 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 105 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 104 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 121 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 125 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 102 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 126 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 120 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 116 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 133 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 91 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 106 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 113 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 97 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 109 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 106 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 109 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 122 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 124 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 116 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 122 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 111 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 117 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 153 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 118 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 127 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 131 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 122 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 120 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 122 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 114 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 105 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 118 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 118 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 113 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 120 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 110 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 119 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 113 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 123 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 115 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 118 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 84 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 109 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 104 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 86 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 160 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 247 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 176 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 108 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 185 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 132 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 114 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 144 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 104 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 120 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 356 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 98 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 95 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 92 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 107 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 113 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 128 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 120 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 103 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 102 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 86 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 128 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 116 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 91 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 144 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 125 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 216 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 114 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 113 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 103 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 113 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 101 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 200 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 86 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 116 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 97 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 94 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 106 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 147 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 98 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 122 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 107 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 94 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 119 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 113 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 94 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 114 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 110 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 97 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 95 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 109 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 118 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 100 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 114 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 118 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 88 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 108 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 137 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 125 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 107 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 134 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 101 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 118 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 103 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 111 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 95 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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