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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 393 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 126 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 105 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 102 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 92 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 92 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 108 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 112 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 89 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 109 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 107 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 103 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 117 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 80 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 95 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 101 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 85 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 94 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 93 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 96 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 109 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 111 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 104 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 109 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 97 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 104 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 141 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 102 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 113 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 116 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 104 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 108 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 108 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 104 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 91 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 107 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 104 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 100 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 106 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 96 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 105 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 101 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 109 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 104 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 104 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 72 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
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Re: reincarnation 91 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 74 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 145 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 232 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 162 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 96 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 171 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 121 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 100 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 129 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 91 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 110 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 336 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 87 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 84 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 80 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 94 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 100 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 114 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 105 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 91 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 90 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 74 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 112 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 102 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 78 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 128 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 112 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 194 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 100 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 97 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 88 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 99 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 88 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 182 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 75 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 104 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 84 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 82 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 91 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 133 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 85 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 109 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 91 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 80 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 107 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 101 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 82 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 102 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 97 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 87 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 84 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 99 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 107 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 89 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 103 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 107 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 77 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 96 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 127 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 112 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 96 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 124 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 89 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 107 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 93 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 101 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 85 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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