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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 830 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 278 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 236 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 260 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 247 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 236 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 273 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 258 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 217 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 253 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 256 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 248 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 259 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 210 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 255 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 247 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 225 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 237 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 234 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 237 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 254 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 291 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 253 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 244 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 229 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 252 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 278 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 284 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 238 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 257 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 262 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 250 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 240 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 225 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 241 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 248 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 253 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 230 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 245 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 251 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 253 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 242 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 260 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 241 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 231 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 208 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 252 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 248 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 202 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 303 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 396 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 325 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 263 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 331 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 261 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 235 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 266 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 245 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 247 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 487 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 225 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 220 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 220 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 242 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 240 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 276 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 262 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 235 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 241 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 213 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 258 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 262 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 225 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 283 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 250 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 449 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 251 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 269 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 228 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 242 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 211 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 359 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 209 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 249 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 230 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 209 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 230 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 281 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 229 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 262 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 243 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 227 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 237 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 234 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 215 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 247 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 221 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 229 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 236 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 239 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 232 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 235 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 228 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 257 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 220 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 230 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 294 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 249 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 230 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 258 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 223 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 239 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 228 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 232 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 219 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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