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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 526 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 161 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 138 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 145 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 128 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 125 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 150 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 155 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 120 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 143 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 137 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 139 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 157 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 110 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 134 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 132 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 115 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 132 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 130 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 132 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 149 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 146 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 139 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 140 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 129 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 139 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 170 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 142 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 145 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 159 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 154 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 137 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 140 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 132 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 124 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 146 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 136 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 130 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 147 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 137 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 136 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 132 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 143 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 134 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 134 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 100 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 130 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 128 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 104 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 183 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 278 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 198 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 148 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 206 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 149 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 136 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 163 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 131 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 139 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 375 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 115 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 112 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 109 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 126 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 130 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 152 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 144 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 126 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 118 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 102 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 149 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 142 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 108 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 163 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 144 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 260 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 139 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 135 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 120 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 131 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 117 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 233 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 105 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 133 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 114 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 112 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 125 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 176 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 118 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 143 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 131 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 111 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 136 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 132 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 111 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 136 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 129 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 116 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 115 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 130 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 137 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 120 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 133 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 149 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 107 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 126 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 183 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 143 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 126 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 153 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 120 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 138 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 124 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 134 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 117 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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