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> Jesus is dead and gone and of no help to anyone except
> those he initiated 2000 years ago.

Are'nt they dead and gone too?

> The only reason I quote his stuff is because so many
> people believe his words.

That does'nt sound too nice.

> None of us will ever question Jesus, but this present life of
> ours gives us the opportunity to find the adepts, the true
> teachers of the day--THIS day--and question them.

Hmm

> Looking for inner awareness, for super-consciousness in books--new or
> old--is a waste of time.

I disagree; many a wise word and realization is spread out within the pages of writtings.

> Books can give us inspiration and a second-hand knowledge,
> and maybe a game-plan for seeking, but not much more.

That depends upon how hard one strives; if you read of that which is realization and strive hard enough to grasp; feel; and truly understand that realizatuion,... well; as was said, seek and ye shall find.

> The "living water", the baptism of "fire and water". the true
> initiation, is only available from a living teacher.

That does'nt seem to coincide with the baptism of fire being that of by the holy spirit.

> Which is what Jesus was referring to when he said:
> "While I am *IN* the world, I am the Light of the world."

That's not to what he was refering. ..I sometimes wonder why Jesus even spoke at all; but I suppose if only one gets it that's better than none at all.

By Jesus saying that while he was in the world that he is the light of the world means that while he was in the world he was man (of the above in flesh); and that within him was the key; the prize; the stencile. If someone has informed you that that saying has to do with an initiation by another they don't know what they're talking about.


Regards,



Ce'sar

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reincarnation 547 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 167 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 145 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 152 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 133 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
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Re: reincarnation 150 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 144 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 147 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
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Re: reincarnation 118 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 142 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 138 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 124 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 138 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
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Re: reincarnation 140 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
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Re: reincarnation 156 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 147 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 148 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 134 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 145 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 175 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 148 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
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Re: reincarnation 164 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
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Re: reincarnation 137 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 160 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 151 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
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Re: reincarnation 157 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 148 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 113 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 170 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 151 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 270 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 148 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
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Re: reincarnation 139 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
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Re: reincarnation 118 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
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Re: reincarnation 181 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 124 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 151 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 137 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 118 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 142 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 137 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 117 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 141 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 135 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 121 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 125 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 135 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 143 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 125 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 139 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 155 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 112 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 132 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 190 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 150 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 131 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 160 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 126 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 145 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 129 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 140 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 122 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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