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> Jesus is dead and gone and of no help to anyone except
> those he initiated 2000 years ago.

Are'nt they dead and gone too?

> The only reason I quote his stuff is because so many
> people believe his words.

That does'nt sound too nice.

> None of us will ever question Jesus, but this present life of
> ours gives us the opportunity to find the adepts, the true
> teachers of the day--THIS day--and question them.

Hmm

> Looking for inner awareness, for super-consciousness in books--new or
> old--is a waste of time.

I disagree; many a wise word and realization is spread out within the pages of writtings.

> Books can give us inspiration and a second-hand knowledge,
> and maybe a game-plan for seeking, but not much more.

That depends upon how hard one strives; if you read of that which is realization and strive hard enough to grasp; feel; and truly understand that realizatuion,... well; as was said, seek and ye shall find.

> The "living water", the baptism of "fire and water". the true
> initiation, is only available from a living teacher.

That does'nt seem to coincide with the baptism of fire being that of by the holy spirit.

> Which is what Jesus was referring to when he said:
> "While I am *IN* the world, I am the Light of the world."

That's not to what he was refering. ..I sometimes wonder why Jesus even spoke at all; but I suppose if only one gets it that's better than none at all.

By Jesus saying that while he was in the world that he is the light of the world means that while he was in the world he was man (of the above in flesh); and that within him was the key; the prize; the stencile. If someone has informed you that that saying has to do with an initiation by another they don't know what they're talking about.


Regards,



Ce'sar

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