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Zosimos wrote:
>
> Despite your claim of 'advanced' knowledge you seem to cling
> to some simplistic assumptions.
>
> The 'I' is not the 'soul' but merely the ego

I agree. So what pronoun do I use when speaking of my soul as opposed to say, yours? OK...I'll say it this way if you're going split hairs: the soul does not divide into 2 physical bodies anymore than the ego or higher mind divides itself.

The sensory consciousness is secondary, a
> product of the body, not the real being. Even 'scientific'
> psychology admits that the conscious self is just a stream of
> impressions and not a real entity. Yet it tries to behave as
> if it is, and thus all the 'psychological problems' that
> humans are prone to. So this much is recognize by both modern
> 'scientific' psychology and traditional religuous/esoteric
> psychology.

The senses are still part of us, and in fact they dominate the mind--pull it downward, preventing it from untangling the knot between itself and the soul, located at the eye-center. The right kind of meditation can reverse this pull with the help of a true teacher:

[www.ishkiia.net]

> According to Vedic/Buddhist tradition and the Chinese Taoist
> tradition, even the deeper 'self' ('soul' or whatever you
> call it) is only an illusion and must ultimately be
> dissolved. If this 'self' is not a definite thing but a
> 'phenomenon' like personality does it have to be contained in
> any one location? Who is to say what forms it may take or how
> it might relate to the physical world? (Or more
> appropriately, does it need to relate to the physical world
> at all? Why does it need to be in a 'location' in extended
> space-time?)

Separation itself is an illusion--BUT...it's not an illusion to the one trapped in it. Only to one who is liberated. Also...illusion is relative. I will tell you from experience that the ether is more real than the physical, and the astral is more real than the ether, and the mental plane--"nirvana"--is more real than the top of the astral--yet all are illusory.

> Think:
>
> If there is 'no such thing as time' then how can the same
> 'soul' have more than one incarnation at all? Aren't ALL
> incarnations 'simultaneous' in ultimate timeless reality? So
> the 'soul' already has many different 'streams of
> consciousness' feeding into it. From a timeless perspective,
> what difference does it make whether some of those 'streams
> of consciousness' are closely related in the physical world
> of space-time? The experience of events in 'time' is a
> feature of the 'I' not the soul, there is no danger of
> 'confusion' from too much happening at once. :)

Everything is simultaneous I'm taught, but I have yet to experience that. I have experienced a degree of timelessness. This kind of high teaching cannot be reduced to words. It is beyond the mind's capacity and can only be understood when we have left the mind behind at it's origin--the top of Universal Mind, or "nirvana", or "trikuti"--and gone beyond it.

> I haven't found anything about this in Buddhist philosophy
> yet, but both the Cayce material and the Seth material
> maintain that simultaneous incarnations do occur.

Buddhist philosophy was written by the kind of people who put the bible together--put this in, leave that out, maybe he meant this, maybe that...
the guy lived 2500 years ago and whatever his followers are practicing today has little to do with his teachings on the inner path of the initiate.

Cayce and Seth are both entities channeling from the astral. Don't bet the mortagage on everything they say, especially Seth. There's enough truth in their stuff to make people want to bite the whole banana.
David

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reincarnation 494 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 151 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 129 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 130 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 116 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 116 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 136 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 142 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 110 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 136 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 130 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 128 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 144 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 103 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 119 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 123 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 107 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 120 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 118 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 121 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 138 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 136 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 130 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 134 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 122 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 133 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 163 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 129 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 137 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 143 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 145 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 130 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 132 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 126 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 116 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 135 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 128 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 123 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 131 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 125 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 129 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 124 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 135 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 127 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 127 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 93 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 120 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 116 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 96 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 173 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 264 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 188 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 137 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 197 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 142 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 124 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 156 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 118 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 132 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 366 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 108 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 106 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 102 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 116 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 122 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 140 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 132 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 115 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 111 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 96 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 140 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 128 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 100 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 154 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 137 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 239 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 127 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 125 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 113 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 123 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 110 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 220 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 96 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 125 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 107 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 104 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 116 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 165 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 112 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 135 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 119 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 104 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 129 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 124 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 104 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 125 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 120 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 109 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 107 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 122 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 131 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 112 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 125 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 134 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 99 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 120 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 167 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 137 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 118 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 146 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 112 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 130 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 117 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 127 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
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