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Zosimos wrote:
>
> Despite your claim of 'advanced' knowledge you seem to cling
> to some simplistic assumptions.
>
> The 'I' is not the 'soul' but merely the ego

I agree. So what pronoun do I use when speaking of my soul as opposed to say, yours? OK...I'll say it this way if you're going split hairs: the soul does not divide into 2 physical bodies anymore than the ego or higher mind divides itself.

The sensory consciousness is secondary, a
> product of the body, not the real being. Even 'scientific'
> psychology admits that the conscious self is just a stream of
> impressions and not a real entity. Yet it tries to behave as
> if it is, and thus all the 'psychological problems' that
> humans are prone to. So this much is recognize by both modern
> 'scientific' psychology and traditional religuous/esoteric
> psychology.

The senses are still part of us, and in fact they dominate the mind--pull it downward, preventing it from untangling the knot between itself and the soul, located at the eye-center. The right kind of meditation can reverse this pull with the help of a true teacher:

[www.ishkiia.net]

> According to Vedic/Buddhist tradition and the Chinese Taoist
> tradition, even the deeper 'self' ('soul' or whatever you
> call it) is only an illusion and must ultimately be
> dissolved. If this 'self' is not a definite thing but a
> 'phenomenon' like personality does it have to be contained in
> any one location? Who is to say what forms it may take or how
> it might relate to the physical world? (Or more
> appropriately, does it need to relate to the physical world
> at all? Why does it need to be in a 'location' in extended
> space-time?)

Separation itself is an illusion--BUT...it's not an illusion to the one trapped in it. Only to one who is liberated. Also...illusion is relative. I will tell you from experience that the ether is more real than the physical, and the astral is more real than the ether, and the mental plane--"nirvana"--is more real than the top of the astral--yet all are illusory.

> Think:
>
> If there is 'no such thing as time' then how can the same
> 'soul' have more than one incarnation at all? Aren't ALL
> incarnations 'simultaneous' in ultimate timeless reality? So
> the 'soul' already has many different 'streams of
> consciousness' feeding into it. From a timeless perspective,
> what difference does it make whether some of those 'streams
> of consciousness' are closely related in the physical world
> of space-time? The experience of events in 'time' is a
> feature of the 'I' not the soul, there is no danger of
> 'confusion' from too much happening at once. :)

Everything is simultaneous I'm taught, but I have yet to experience that. I have experienced a degree of timelessness. This kind of high teaching cannot be reduced to words. It is beyond the mind's capacity and can only be understood when we have left the mind behind at it's origin--the top of Universal Mind, or "nirvana", or "trikuti"--and gone beyond it.

> I haven't found anything about this in Buddhist philosophy
> yet, but both the Cayce material and the Seth material
> maintain that simultaneous incarnations do occur.

Buddhist philosophy was written by the kind of people who put the bible together--put this in, leave that out, maybe he meant this, maybe that...
the guy lived 2500 years ago and whatever his followers are practicing today has little to do with his teachings on the inner path of the initiate.

Cayce and Seth are both entities channeling from the astral. Don't bet the mortagage on everything they say, especially Seth. There's enough truth in their stuff to make people want to bite the whole banana.
David

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reincarnation 608 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 196 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 155 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 179 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 165 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 157 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 187 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 175 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 141 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 180 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 169 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 160 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 175 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 130 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 173 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 162 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 145 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 156 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 153 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 164 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 186 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 188 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 175 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 170 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 146 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 162 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 200 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 180 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 162 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 178 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 186 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 172 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 161 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 150 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 162 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 176 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 174 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 150 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 160 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 173 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 170 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 166 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 180 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 165 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 150 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 123 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
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Re: reincarnation 169 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 120 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 204 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 313 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 238 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 181 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 243 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 184 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 161 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 179 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 165 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 172 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 408 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 146 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 144 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 143 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 159 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 161 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 184 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 178 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 160 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 157 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 136 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 183 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 174 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 148 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 201 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 176 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 309 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 170 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 182 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 150 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 163 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 136 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 268 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 136 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 166 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 147 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 130 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 148 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 193 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 150 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 179 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 163 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 144 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 161 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 152 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 129 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 172 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 147 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 153 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 150 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 164 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 154 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 153 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 151 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 180 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 136 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 157 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 224 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 163 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 159 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 185 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 149 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 168 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 157 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 151 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
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