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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 567 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 184 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 162 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 195 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 175 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 179 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 231 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 201 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 211 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 205 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 182 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 190 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 161 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 214 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 174 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 202 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 233 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 194 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 171 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 172 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 213 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 203 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 235 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 236 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 210 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 181 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 204 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 171 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 179 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 169 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 181 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 152 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 176 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 164 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 199 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 171 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 212 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 171 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 183 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 194 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 166 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 177 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 172 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 162 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 167 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 275 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 186 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 284 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 179 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 198 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 221 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 191 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 173 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 188 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 231 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 174 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 206 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 227 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 224 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 171 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 189 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 233 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 168 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 155 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 192 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 199 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 183 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 221 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 186 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 215 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 182 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 184 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 353 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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