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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 384 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 110 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 99 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 136 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 113 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 109 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 139 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 133 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 125 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 126 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 107 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 121 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 104 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 136 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 107 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 132 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 156 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 131 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 101 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 101 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 145 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 132 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 146 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 156 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 128 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 111 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 133 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 104 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 105 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 100 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 110 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 99 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 123 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 100 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 126 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 112 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 124 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 103 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 125 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 126 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 102 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 111 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 108 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 97 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 100 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 198 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 117 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 201 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 115 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 123 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 129 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 119 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 107 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 132 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 146 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 101 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 141 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 124 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 156 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 111 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 113 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 153 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 103 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 99 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 128 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 129 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 118 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 132 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 112 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 155 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 111 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 114 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 233 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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