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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 734 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 244 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 227 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 248 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 235 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 233 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 291 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 252 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 266 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 262 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 232 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 246 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 217 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 270 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 230 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 258 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 287 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 241 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 218 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 231 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 266 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 258 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 295 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 292 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 264 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 237 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 256 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 225 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 233 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 221 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 233 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 206 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 229 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 216 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 255 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 224 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 272 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 221 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 238 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 250 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 213 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 224 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 222 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 215 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 223 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 349 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 236 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 352 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 233 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 254 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 279 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 242 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 226 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 241 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 287 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 229 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 255 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 285 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 294 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 228 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 247 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 294 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 218 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 208 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 248 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 253 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 234 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 268 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 235 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 279 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 237 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 232 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 463 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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