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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 478 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 147 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 126 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 162 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 139 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 148 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 190 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 169 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 177 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 169 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 145 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 158 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 132 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 173 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 143 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 166 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 203 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 165 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 138 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 139 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 182 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 169 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 200 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 200 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 172 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 146 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 171 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 138 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 145 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 136 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 146 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 124 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 146 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 134 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 168 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 135 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 177 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 139 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 152 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 162 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 137 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 147 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 142 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 134 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 137 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 239 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 154 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 251 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 150 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 165 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 176 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 160 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 143 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 156 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 181 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 143 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 174 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 172 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 191 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 136 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 157 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 199 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 138 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 124 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 163 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 169 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 154 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 176 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 158 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 187 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 148 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 153 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 291 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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