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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 452 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 127 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 118 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 155 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 130 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 129 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 171 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 150 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 158 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 152 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 127 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 139 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 123 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 155 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 125 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 149 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 183 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 148 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 118 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 119 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 163 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 150 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 176 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 179 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 154 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 128 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 151 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 122 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 125 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 118 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 128 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 117 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 139 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 116 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 148 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 128 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 158 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 120 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 144 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 142 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 118 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 130 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 124 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 113 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 116 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 222 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 134 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 232 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 131 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 145 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 153 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 142 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 124 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 148 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 170 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 123 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 157 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 148 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 173 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 129 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 135 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 179 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 121 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 117 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 147 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 149 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 134 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 156 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 140 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 179 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 128 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 133 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 272 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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