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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 420 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 119 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 109 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 145 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 123 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 119 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 154 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 142 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 148 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 144 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 116 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 130 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 116 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 148 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 117 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 142 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 169 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 141 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 110 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 111 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 156 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 142 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 164 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 171 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 140 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 120 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 143 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 114 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 116 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 109 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 120 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 108 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 133 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 108 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 137 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 121 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 150 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 114 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 136 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 135 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 111 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 120 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 117 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 107 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 109 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 213 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 127 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 223 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 125 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 137 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 143 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 135 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 116 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 141 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 159 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 113 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 150 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 137 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 165 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 121 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 125 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 166 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 112 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 108 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 138 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 139 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 127 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 144 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 130 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 171 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 121 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 125 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 257 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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