> "Can I assume this is somewhat related to my point about
> Cosmic Mind (or whatever) displaying a form of care? Because
> it is using these opposites and synthesis, giving spiritual
> lessons -- spiritual balance, spiritual growth -- regardless
> of spiritual beliefs.
> Actually 'care' as you put it here may be what Jung desscibed
> as the 'compensatory' function of dreams. The processes
> expressed in dream state are amongst many other things a way
> for the psyche to regain it's equilibrium and take account of
> itself after a day's experiences. The symbolism often
> revolves around the mandala either blatently or in the form
> of a 'censored' image in the facade of something else. Are
> you familiar with the concept of the censor? Again the key
> word here for certain is balance as you say.
I'm not familiar with the censor concept in this context. Hopefully you can do a better job than I did explaining who Pinker is :)
Equalibrium need some more dimension and something more than a cause and effect dance we might be moving towards. It's not just equalibrium is it? It's also progress and/or evolution too. That adds a more color to the big questions about who or what is experiencing the "caring."
> "Furthermore, the religious function within human pyches
> seems to care for the inner space of the human (irrespective
> to the person's religious beliefs)!"
> I agree, the symbolism and the context of the expression in
> the unconscious is universal (archetypical) autonomous, and
> the rest of it is local feathers. What is interesting as well
> is that I would dream of discussing say alchemy with arabs in
> egypt (which happened) and it has nothing to do with my
> geographical orientation.
Ok. what does that mean to you now and has it always meant the same thing to you.....and then I guess we go back to equalibrium and evolution.
If you want to use that as an example.
> "Is this not a display of personality in the universe? And
> where is this display of personality coming from if it is
> from without instead of from within (as Jung theorized)?"
> Well that is a loaded question Dominick! The answer to that
> has to first take into account your entire view of opposites
> (Gnostic? Christian? Moslem? Athiest? ect...) and then
> provide the answer from there. There is definitely a duality
> and if the language of these symbols from the unconscious are
> correct then the universal goal of consciousness and dare I
> say 'enlightenment' rests in the fusion or balance of
> opposites. (We're going to have to get a thread going here on
> the mandala archetype.)
This chair of a statement is missing some legs. Would giving it some more legs be answering the questions dealing with how individuals evolve towards equalibrium? What are the fruits of enlightement: material, mental, spiritual. If Jung's theory was profoundly affirming the existence of the spiritual aspects of reality and menatality then, it doesn't go much beyond that in answering these questions, IMO.
> "Well, some answers may lie in the many ways of describing
> "local, universal products of the psyche." In a nutshell,
> universal symbolism may also come from Cosmic Mind as we have
> tentatively defined it here. IE we are beginning to define
> the concept of revelation quite different from the religious
> institutional definitions of revelation......what do you all
> When you say 'revelation' are you saying that we are not
> dependent exterior or 'organized' sources for a greater view
> of the big picture? Well I guess that's somewhat gnostic and
> I have to agree with it in that regard but only speaking for
> myself - nobody else.
I'm talking about exterior from a without (as opposed to within) a human being. Rough analogies abound like the radio and transceiver, the gaia consciousness....
...Jung theoriezed thes symbols bubbled up from the unconscious but one of the affects of post young with quantum physics is the theory that these symbols and synthesis or caring is coming from outside the pysche and not just from within. So yes, definately exterior, and in loving relationship to humans......ie Cosmic Mind....
Humans wouldn't be able to be in relationship to Cosmic Mind if it wasn't endowed with something within though, as well.....