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Hi Steve,

> Day 3: A close examination of Genesis, Chapter 2, places the
> Adam formed of the dust and given the breath of God "eastward
> in Eden," and establishes the cardinal points with a river
> that "went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence
> it was parted, and became into four heads . . . " (Gen 2:8-10).

>>OK they're drawing a mandala or quartered circle and establishing east as a direction of birth, not an uncommon idea...<<

Yes and no. "Eastward" in the above (qedmah) refers only to antiquity. There has been no movement in any direction as yet. According to this tradition, God has placed Adam in the "garden" or center encompassing the bisected horizontal and vertical ("the tree of life also in the midst" [Gen 2:9]), and establishes the four cardinal points radiating or flowing outward. The mandala has a very nice correspondence to this, thank you.

> Day 4: Finally, back to Chapter 1, the rule to chart
> progress is established with "the greater light to rule the
> day, and the lesser light to rule the night . . ." (Gen 1:16).

>>Sun and Moon or Sol and Luna, defining opposites.<<

No, no opposition. Difference, perhaps, as in day and night; "greater" and "lesser." But no opposition. If anything, it describes a correspondence in function.

> Day 5-6: It is only after this basis by which to chart the
> unkown -- this basis by which to KNOW -- does God create the
> variety of "moving creature that hath life" (Gen 1:20-31).

>>Ok the opposites have been defined and have an interrelationship in action.<<

Again, no opposition (wait for it, Steve :-) ). Interrelationship in action, certainly; but no opposition.

> Enter the serpent, who convinced Adam and Eve after the
> foundations were laid that their basis by which to chart the
> unknown -- their basis by which to KNOW things -- should be
> themselves. Perhaps a clue as to the symbolism of the dual
> serpent superimposed and intertwining the straight shaft?

>>I agree, it represents the division of unity (the central staff) into a duality that is active (the two serpents). A reduction of what is infinite to finite. Read the comments on Kundilini yoga and the 3 major forces in that thread I linked to. Think about the magic dual between Moses and the Egyptian priests where his one staff devoured the 2 others. It's mentioned on the that thread also. Theres an interesting similarity in the symbolism.<<

Yes, finally, it is at this point that Adam and Eve have been divided from their unity with God. Here is where opposition comes into play; but the central staff (the tree of life), according to my reading of this tradition, is now removed to the periphery. Adam and Eve's division from God came consequent to their believing the serpent, in opposition to God, and their subsequent partaking of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is this "staff" of death, symbolized by the wings and dual serpents (if you like), that has supplanted the "staff" of life at the center of man's universe. As above; so below.

Hmmmm, yes, the duel of magic between Moses and the Egyptian priests. Well, it may be that the Supernatural board would be the more appropriate place to discuss such matters; however, perhaps I can allude to it:

"And then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you" (Mt 12:22-28)

The people, in witnessing this duel, identified Jesus with the "son of David," or Solomon, reputed to be a master of the arcane and esoteric got of his many wives. The Pharisees, evidently offended by this comparison, countered by accusing him of being a minion of Satan. In both cases, the eyes of the witnesses were filled with the magic, or manifestation of power, rather than the source of that magic. Likewise, it seems to me, when the Egyptian priests fell down and acknowledged Moses' "god" as being the superior, they had their eye on the single serpent of Moses -- and not God. It then makes much more sense (to me) that, in the wilderness, in order for the children of Israel to be spiritually healed, the serpent, deader than a doornail, had to be lifted up for all to see.

Perhaps you can understand why then, informed as I am by THIS tradition, a Yogic encouragement of their initiates to invite a metaphorical serpent to occupy their chakra points speaks more to me of an obstruction to spiritual enlightenment -- an obstruction to spiritual unity -- than anything else. Of course, if their tantric practices relate more to physical union (as it often seems . . .), then the symbolism of the serpent makes more sense, IMHO. As I mentioned in a prior post, I don't have a problem with phallic mysteries.

Warm regards,


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