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Hey there Ron,

Good to read you again, and help me out here, will you?

A quote from Wiki :

In the view of Bohm and Hiley, "things, such as particles, objects, and indeed subjects" exist as "semi-autonomous quasi-local features" of an underlying activity. Such features can be considered to be independent only up to a certain level of approximation in which certain criteria are fulfilled. In that picture, the classical limit for quantum phenomena, in terms of a condition that the action function is not much greater than Planck's constant, indicates one such criterion. They used the word "holomovement" for the activity in such orders.

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I’ll stress the, “Such features can be considered to be independent only up to a certain level of approximation in which certain criteria are fulfilled.”

I’ll just add something from the Bible for comparison, as it is but one belief-system that have some similar understandings...Adam and Eve have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and, upon realising they are naked, hide as God approaches. God doesn’t know where they are and calls out a few times until they reveal themselves.


What more needs to be said about self-awareness in-and-of a material body?…

Material body...composed of atoms all observing Plank’s Constant...and all observing what is inside Plank’s Constant...because certain criteria have been fulfilled...But does awareness of certain criteria take 'time' out of the equation?...and therefore distance...

Unawareness would have no effect upon mind nor body when perception of the next thing could not be accounted for in sub-atomics...hence no mind able to extract that from the workings of sub-atomics...and yet there is beyond-time awareness infiltrating mind's choices which means there is awareness pervading the interior of the Universe's form, expressed as it is in all sub-forms AND energies which compose and comprise it.

You would honestly have to accept we are the by-product of our planet, a by-product of our Solar System and its machinations, in turn a by-product of our galactic location's fortune in being 'right here'.

We are 'right here' every moment and express a Universal Moment in every level of it from there to here, and ponder the fortune of being able to ponder the past from here to there, and then further ponder what we are doing right in the middle...

...if things can travel faster than light, then what good is 'holomovement'?

if balls can dangle and balloons can float and a piece of string the important thing, hold on tight

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Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 1659 Enigcom 24-Sep-19 16:17
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 158 Glass Jigsaw 24-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 149 Enigcom 25-Sep-19 01:00
knock knock... 152 drew 25-Sep-19 01:55
Whose There??? 139 Enigcom 25-Sep-19 23:40
Commentary- ode to Ron Cook.... 148 Itatw70s 25-Sep-19 21:17
Re: Commentary- ode to Ron Cook.... 140 Enigcom 25-Sep-19 23:45
Re: Commentary- ode to Ron Cook.... 157 Itatw70s 26-Sep-19 11:29
I'm right off track but will post anyway...such is my want 145 drew 27-Sep-19 08:14
Re: I'm right off track but will post anyway...such is my want 140 Itatw70s 27-Sep-19 11:47
Drew-you asked for it!!! 143 Itatw70s 27-Sep-19 21:30
Re: Drew-you asked for it!!! 145 drew 28-Sep-19 01:07
This old sporting life.... 139 Itatw70s 28-Sep-19 16:33
Re: This old sporting life.... 126 drew 30-Sep-19 02:50
Re: This old sporting life.... 134 Itatw70s 30-Sep-19 11:33
Playing a new game 161 drew 30-Sep-19 22:41
Re: Playing a new game 132 Itatw70s 01-Oct-19 20:32
Re: Playing a new game 149 drew 02-Oct-19 01:45
ps 156 drew 02-Oct-19 01:50
Re: ps 135 Itatw70s 02-Oct-19 11:35
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 154 drew 03-Oct-19 07:52
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 127 Itatw70s 03-Oct-19 20:03
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 138 drew 03-Oct-19 23:32
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 136 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 11:29
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 133 Glass Jigsaw 04-Oct-19 15:35
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 130 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 16:21
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 133 Enigcom 04-Oct-19 19:25
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 122 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 22:01
Drew? More New Era Travelling through Spacetime Music!!. 134 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 22:04
Re: Drew? More New Era Travelling through Spacetime Music!!. 133 Glass Jigsaw 04-Oct-19 23:49
Subjectivity tests!! 137 Itatw70s 05-Oct-19 15:33
Re: Subjectivity tests!! 135 Glass Jigsaw 05-Oct-19 20:06
Ruminating word concepts is key to understanding.... 132 Itatw70s 08-Oct-19 15:47
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 149 drew 06-Oct-19 03:38
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 129 Itatw70s 06-Oct-19 18:38
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 139 drew 08-Oct-19 00:50
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 126 Itatw70s 08-Oct-19 11:37
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 145 drew 09-Oct-19 00:00
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 122 Itatw70s 09-Oct-19 11:19
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 151 drew 09-Oct-19 23:30
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 120 Enigcom 15-Oct-19 17:10
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 119 Itatw70s 15-Oct-19 19:14
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 124 drew 15-Oct-19 21:46
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 118 Itatw70s 17-Oct-19 11:25
Creating a link eats up phone data.... 129 Itatw70s 05-Oct-19 19:18
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 128 Enigcom 06-Oct-19 16:26
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 155 Itatw70s 06-Oct-19 18:09
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 143 Glass Jigsaw 06-Oct-19 23:40
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 145 Itatw70s 07-Oct-19 12:59
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 128 Enigcom 09-Oct-19 17:43
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 128 Itatw70s 09-Oct-19 22:42
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 130 Itatw70s 15-Oct-19 22:08
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 127 Glass Jigsaw 16-Oct-19 11:45
I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 137 drew 16-Oct-19 23:44
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 120 Itatw70s 17-Oct-19 19:21
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 133 drew 17-Oct-19 23:38
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 121 Itatw70s 18-Oct-19 22:28
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 116 Enigcom 20-Oct-19 17:10
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 114 Itatw70s 20-Oct-19 17:16
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 140 drew 21-Oct-19 00:11
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 115 Itatw70s 21-Oct-19 12:28
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 118 Enigcom 22-Oct-19 21:06
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 109 Itatw70s 22-Oct-19 23:08
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 121 Susan Doris 23-Oct-19 00:28
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 113 Itatw70s 23-Oct-19 11:24
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 124 drew 24-Oct-19 00:12
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 117 Itatw70s 24-Oct-19 00:29
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 137 drew 24-Oct-19 22:43
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 118 Enigcom 27-Oct-19 16:11
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 121 Itatw70s 27-Oct-19 17:11
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 112 Enigcom 30-Oct-19 18:56
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 113 Itatw70s 30-Oct-19 23:09
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 107 Glass Jigsaw 31-Oct-19 23:53
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 114 Itatw70s 01-Nov-19 15:40
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 120 Glass Jigsaw 01-Nov-19 17:07
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 105 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-19 22:59
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 100 Glass Jigsaw 07-Nov-19 01:44
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 128 Enigcom 04-Jan-20 05:40
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 126 Glass Jigsaw 01-Nov-19 00:02
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 108 Enigcom 06-Nov-19 22:40
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 108 Glass Jigsaw 07-Nov-19 01:55
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 112 Enigcom 08-Nov-19 15:33
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 104 Itatw70s 08-Nov-19 17:34
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 97 Enigcom 17-Nov-19 03:56
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 123 Glass Jigsaw 08-Nov-19 21:45
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 99 Enigcom 17-Nov-19 03:49
Roundabout.... 128 Itatw70s 17-Nov-19 19:41
Re: Roundabout.... 108 Enigcom 15-Dec-19 18:05


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