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Hey there Ron,

Good to read you again, and help me out here, will you?

A quote from Wiki :

In the view of Bohm and Hiley, "things, such as particles, objects, and indeed subjects" exist as "semi-autonomous quasi-local features" of an underlying activity. Such features can be considered to be independent only up to a certain level of approximation in which certain criteria are fulfilled. In that picture, the classical limit for quantum phenomena, in terms of a condition that the action function is not much greater than Planck's constant, indicates one such criterion. They used the word "holomovement" for the activity in such orders.

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I’ll stress the, “Such features can be considered to be independent only up to a certain level of approximation in which certain criteria are fulfilled.”

I’ll just add something from the Bible for comparison, as it is but one belief-system that have some similar understandings...Adam and Eve have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and, upon realising they are naked, hide as God approaches. God doesn’t know where they are and calls out a few times until they reveal themselves.


What more needs to be said about self-awareness in-and-of a material body?…

Material body...composed of atoms all observing Plank’s Constant...and all observing what is inside Plank’s Constant...because certain criteria have been fulfilled...But does awareness of certain criteria take 'time' out of the equation?...and therefore distance...

Unawareness would have no effect upon mind nor body when perception of the next thing could not be accounted for in sub-atomics...hence no mind able to extract that from the workings of sub-atomics...and yet there is beyond-time awareness infiltrating mind's choices which means there is awareness pervading the interior of the Universe's form, expressed as it is in all sub-forms AND energies which compose and comprise it.

You would honestly have to accept we are the by-product of our planet, a by-product of our Solar System and its machinations, in turn a by-product of our galactic location's fortune in being 'right here'.

We are 'right here' every moment and express a Universal Moment in every level of it from there to here, and ponder the fortune of being able to ponder the past from here to there, and then further ponder what we are doing right in the middle...

...if things can travel faster than light, then what good is 'holomovement'?

No-one expects a Spanish Inquisition

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Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 1032 Enigcom 24-Sep-19 16:17
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 79 Glass Jigsaw 24-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 68 Enigcom 25-Sep-19 01:00
knock knock... 77 drew 25-Sep-19 01:55
Whose There??? 62 Enigcom 25-Sep-19 23:40
Commentary- ode to Ron Cook.... 75 Itatw70s 25-Sep-19 21:17
Re: Commentary- ode to Ron Cook.... 62 Enigcom 25-Sep-19 23:45
Re: Commentary- ode to Ron Cook.... 69 Itatw70s 26-Sep-19 11:29
I'm right off track but will post anyway...such is my want 66 drew 27-Sep-19 08:14
Re: I'm right off track but will post anyway...such is my want 65 Itatw70s 27-Sep-19 11:47
Drew-you asked for it!!! 67 Itatw70s 27-Sep-19 21:30
Re: Drew-you asked for it!!! 69 drew 28-Sep-19 01:07
This old sporting life.... 67 Itatw70s 28-Sep-19 16:33
Re: This old sporting life.... 50 drew 30-Sep-19 02:50
Re: This old sporting life.... 58 Itatw70s 30-Sep-19 11:33
Playing a new game 59 drew 30-Sep-19 22:41
Re: Playing a new game 54 Itatw70s 01-Oct-19 20:32
Re: Playing a new game 53 drew 02-Oct-19 01:45
ps 50 drew 02-Oct-19 01:50
Re: ps 57 Itatw70s 02-Oct-19 11:35
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 55 drew 03-Oct-19 07:52
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 55 Itatw70s 03-Oct-19 20:03
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 49 drew 03-Oct-19 23:32
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 53 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 11:29
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 54 Glass Jigsaw 04-Oct-19 15:35
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 52 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 16:21
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 52 Enigcom 04-Oct-19 19:25
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 46 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 22:01
Drew? More New Era Travelling through Spacetime Music!!. 56 Itatw70s 04-Oct-19 22:04
Re: Drew? More New Era Travelling through Spacetime Music!!. 55 Glass Jigsaw 04-Oct-19 23:49
Subjectivity tests!! 61 Itatw70s 05-Oct-19 15:33
Re: Subjectivity tests!! 60 Glass Jigsaw 05-Oct-19 20:06
Ruminating word concepts is key to understanding.... 53 Itatw70s 08-Oct-19 15:47
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 54 drew 06-Oct-19 03:38
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 49 Itatw70s 06-Oct-19 18:38
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 46 drew 08-Oct-19 00:50
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 47 Itatw70s 08-Oct-19 11:37
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 51 drew 09-Oct-19 00:00
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 43 Itatw70s 09-Oct-19 11:19
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 49 drew 09-Oct-19 23:30
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 41 Enigcom 15-Oct-19 17:10
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 42 Itatw70s 15-Oct-19 19:14
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 36 drew 15-Oct-19 21:46
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Bohm... 43 Itatw70s 17-Oct-19 11:25
Creating a link eats up phone data.... 49 Itatw70s 05-Oct-19 19:18
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 52 Enigcom 06-Oct-19 16:26
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 77 Itatw70s 06-Oct-19 18:09
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 64 Glass Jigsaw 06-Oct-19 23:40
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 63 Itatw70s 07-Oct-19 12:59
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 49 Enigcom 09-Oct-19 17:43
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 49 Itatw70s 09-Oct-19 22:42
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 48 Itatw70s 15-Oct-19 22:08
Re: Presence in Time/Space...Being Here. 50 Glass Jigsaw 16-Oct-19 11:45
I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 44 drew 16-Oct-19 23:44
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 46 Itatw70s 17-Oct-19 19:21
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 42 drew 17-Oct-19 23:38
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 47 Itatw70s 18-Oct-19 22:28
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 36 Enigcom 20-Oct-19 17:10
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 36 Itatw70s 20-Oct-19 17:16
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 44 drew 21-Oct-19 00:11
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 37 Itatw70s 21-Oct-19 12:28
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 41 Enigcom 22-Oct-19 21:06
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 34 Itatw70s 22-Oct-19 23:08
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 40 Susan Doris 23-Oct-19 00:28
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 40 Itatw70s 23-Oct-19 11:24
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 31 drew 24-Oct-19 00:12
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 41 Itatw70s 24-Oct-19 00:29
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 40 drew 24-Oct-19 22:43
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 35 Enigcom 27-Oct-19 16:11
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 42 Itatw70s 27-Oct-19 17:11
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 34 Enigcom 30-Oct-19 18:56
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 34 Itatw70s 30-Oct-19 23:09
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 32 Glass Jigsaw 31-Oct-19 23:53
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 38 Itatw70s 01-Nov-19 15:40
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 46 Glass Jigsaw 01-Nov-19 17:07
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 29 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-19 22:59
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 22 Glass Jigsaw 07-Nov-19 01:44
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 50 Glass Jigsaw 01-Nov-19 00:02
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 30 Enigcom 06-Nov-19 22:40
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 36 Glass Jigsaw 07-Nov-19 01:55
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 31 Enigcom 08-Nov-19 15:33
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 28 Itatw70s 08-Nov-19 17:34
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 19 Enigcom 17-Nov-19 03:56
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 46 Glass Jigsaw 08-Nov-19 21:45
Re: I'll see your Presence and raise an Awareness 23 Enigcom 17-Nov-19 03:49
Roundabout.... 39 Itatw70s 17-Nov-19 19:41


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