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Hi Ray, I have to ask, do you agree with Pence, that people don't need a doctor but if they go to church they will get Jesus care and their illness will go away?

I have a friend who developed MS 20 yrs ago she has over that time gradually lost the use of her body, she now has just a bit of strength in her left hand and can move her head. Her sister a devout Christian took her to Lourdes for the cure, sadly it didn't work, probably the wrong Christianity? Well there are 300 ish now a days. That's why religious texts are no good, people pick the bits they like and ignore the bits they don't.
'Jesus care' sadly it didn't seem to help the poor Pastor with his depression either and he was from a Mega Church! Yet those Mudfups, with an one injection, could have shown him his true self beyond mind, so sad.
I wonder whether Pence goes to the doctor? I bet he has got the best health care anyone could want and probably for the rest of his life, for free.
Could you break down the disciple Timothy' quote for me, this is from the king James version its probably the wrong one.

15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[www.youtube.com] 'In search of the Lost Chord' Moody Blues 6.39

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1537 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 120 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 112 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 128 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 110 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 125 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 114 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 109 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 109 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 99 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 104 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 119 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 114 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 101 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 121 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 115 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 131 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 104 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 97 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 100 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 96 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 93 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 96 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 113 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 109 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 129 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 95 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 107 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 105 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 126 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 109 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 114 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 102 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 99 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 102 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 102 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 115 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 108 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 113 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 95 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 112 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 94 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 104 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 97 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 102 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 129 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 98 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 109 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 107 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 114 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 101 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 101 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 113 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 110 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 112 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 114 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 112 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 125 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 112 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 134 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 130 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 107 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 119 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 109 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 100 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 114 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 95 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 112 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 96 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 93 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 97 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 125 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 113 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 112 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 101 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 112 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 102 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 101 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 103 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 102 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 100 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 84 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 95 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 91 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 91 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 88 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 94 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 98 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 93 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 93 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 102 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 106 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 106 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 119 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 106 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 130 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 103 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 105 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 114 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 123 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 100 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 93 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 109 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 106 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 112 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 91 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 92 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 91 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 99 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 95 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 103 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 97 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 102 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 94 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 153 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 94 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 77 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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