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Hi Ray, I have to ask, do you agree with Pence, that people don't need a doctor but if they go to church they will get Jesus care and their illness will go away?

I have a friend who developed MS 20 yrs ago she has over that time gradually lost the use of her body, she now has just a bit of strength in her left hand and can move her head. Her sister a devout Christian took her to Lourdes for the cure, sadly it didn't work, probably the wrong Christianity? Well there are 300 ish now a days. That's why religious texts are no good, people pick the bits they like and ignore the bits they don't.
'Jesus care' sadly it didn't seem to help the poor Pastor with his depression either and he was from a Mega Church! Yet those Mudfups, with an one injection, could have shown him his true self beyond mind, so sad.
I wonder whether Pence goes to the doctor? I bet he has got the best health care anyone could want and probably for the rest of his life, for free.
Could you break down the disciple Timothy' quote for me, this is from the king James version its probably the wrong one.

15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[www.youtube.com] 'In search of the Lost Chord' Moody Blues 6.39

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1762 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 207 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 199 PB Bytes 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 212 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 192 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 216 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 207 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 193 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 197 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 193 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 178 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 182 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 194 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 200 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 183 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 196 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 200 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 212 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 181 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 176 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 180 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 180 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 175 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 176 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 193 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 192 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 213 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 170 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 194 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 188 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 236 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 192 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 222 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 175 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 176 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 177 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 189 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 197 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 192 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 193 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 178 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 197 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 177 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 181 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 189 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 180 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 212 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 194 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 191 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 182 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 193 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 194 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 181 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 190 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 189 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 189 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 191 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 207 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 238 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 192 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 217 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 204 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 199 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 202 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 188 PB Bytes 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 181 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 191 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 178 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 199 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 183 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 179 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 173 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 213 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 201 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 184 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 176 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 188 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 186 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 178 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 181 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 196 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 178 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 164 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 176 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 170 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 180 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 161 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 181 PB Bytes 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 177 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 177 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 180 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 177 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 186 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 190 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 193 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 191 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 208 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 188 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 191 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 194 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 293 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 179 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 184 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 201 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 189 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 200 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 174 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 176 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 165 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 184 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 170 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 187 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 181 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 192 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 174 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 293 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 196 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 162 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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