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Susan

grangram Wrote:
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> Be careful Ray you don't become a member of the
> Scientism club. What a sheltered life you have
> led, I have found in every walk of life, if you
> are an employee its always the employer who
> benefits the most. You didn't mention funding Ray
> what do these 'real scientists' do if there field
> of study is not supported? Who do they have to do
> a dance for, to get the funding? But lets not go
> to far into the obvious problems of our modern
> society. “
> It is a shame you didn't appreciate what the study
> revealed or should I say what the people
> experienced and talked about! Like the what
> effects of 'knowing the self' can and would do if
> everyone could experience this wonder. But we miss
> the mark, living in our made up world of concepts
> and ideals we have considered and discussed
> amongst our selves. What big egos we have, yet all
> around the world burns.
> The pastor of Riverside megachurch Jarred Wilson
> could definitely have done with the experience
> offered in the study, by these mudfuds.
> [www.latimes.com]
> 2/california-megachurch-pastor-mental-health-suici
> de
> “Kabir This world is a house made of wood, and,
> lo! it is burning furiously;
> He who stays in it dies.
> The Yogi withdraws from it in meditation and he is
> saved.
> Thy birth as man is a ripe fruit which is seen
> only once; make the most of the practice of
> devotion and compassion and the acquisition of
> true Knowledge.
> O Kabîr, there is a way out of this illusory
> world: Know the soul at any cost. “
> I was lucky to find a way, through traditional Raj
> yoga (Yoga does not mean wrapping your legs around
> your neck, how would a disabled person find inner
> peace that way. Yoga = Union), seeing and being
> engulfed in 'ITs' power and love is beyond words,
> (Dr Jb taylor said, “Euphoria! Euphoria!”) it
> changed my attitude to life in such a wonderful
> loving and peaceful way. By the way She had no
> prior training in focusing her mind to stillness,
> she could have experienced much more.
> Funny thing in India they have always treated
> their teachers with honour, the title for a King
> is Raja and the tittle of a great teacher is Raji,
> they say God is every where but without teacher)
> how we would we know our selves, certainly not
> through reading ANY religious text or texts,
> chanting, candles, whale music, yoga mats/shoes. I
> am, after experiencing one for myself, in
> agreement with them.
> I have posted you a few vids of a spiritual
> nature, have you not noticed that for what ever
> reason when the mind shuts up people can
> experience their 'Ground of Being', 'The Elan
> Vital' and so touch the Divine? here's a poem of
> Ravidas put to music,
> [www.youtube.com]
> DBR6uYnqYICg&index=2 hit the translate button for
> english
>
> A bit of history. At the time of Ravidas, Kabir,
> Nanak and others, people lived through very bad
> times for India, it had been at war for many, many
> years culminating in the Moghal Empires total
> destruction of Delhi. These mystic saints brought
> a message of peace and love, at this dreadful time
> and far better than that, the way to enjoin with
> the divine. The Sikh teachers revered them so much
> they put their poems and prose in to their book of
> spiritual sayings, the 'Guru Granth Sahid'
>
> Sorry for the delay and some what bitty response I
> am not well at the moment. malc

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1370 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 76 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 72 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 71 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 65 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 76 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 75 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 65 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 60 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 62 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 63 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 63 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 65 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 72 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 65 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 72 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 60 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 53 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 54 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 53 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 52 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 53 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 59 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 64 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 61 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 53 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 60 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 65 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 65 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 59 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 56 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 58 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 59 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 63 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 59 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 50 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 49 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 51 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 54 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 56 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 64 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 69 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 56 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 57 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 66 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 67 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 66 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 59 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 70 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 66 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 71 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 76 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 69 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 78 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 68 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 66 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 62 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 62 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 61 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 55 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 57 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 62 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 54 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 54 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 54 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 66 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 61 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 57 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 59 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 64 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 53 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 56 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 53 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 56 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 55 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 46 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 51 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 48 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 52 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 50 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 54 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 54 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 49 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 57 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 61 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 52 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 61 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 62 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 66 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 67 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 64 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 63 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 62 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 66 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 52 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 53 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 60 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 51 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 54 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 51 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 48 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 49 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 54 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 56 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 61 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 58 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 60 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 50 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 73 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 53 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 42 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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