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Be careful Ray you don't become a member of the Scientism club. What a sheltered life you have led, I have found in every walk of life, if you are an employee its always the employer who benefits the most. You didn't mention funding Ray what do these 'real scientists' do if there field of study is not supported? Who do they have to do a dance for, to get the funding? But lets not go to far into the obvious problems of our modern society. “
It is a shame you didn't appreciate what the study revealed or should I say what the people experienced and talked about! Like the what effects of 'knowing the self' can and would do if everyone could experience this wonder. But we miss the mark, living in our made up world of concepts and ideals we have considered and discussed amongst our selves. What big egos we have, yet all around the world burns.
The pastor of Riverside megachurch Jarred Wilson could definitely have done with the experience offered in the study, by these mudfuds.
[www.latimes.com]
“Kabir This world is a house made of wood, and, lo! it is burning furiously;
He who stays in it dies.
The Yogi withdraws from it in meditation and he is saved.
Thy birth as man is a ripe fruit which is seen only once; make the most of the practice of devotion and compassion and the acquisition of true Knowledge.
O Kabîr, there is a way out of this illusory world: Know the soul at any cost. “
I was lucky to find a way, through traditional Raj yoga (Yoga does not mean wrapping your legs around your neck, how would a disabled person find inner peace that way. Yoga = Union), seeing and being engulfed in 'ITs' power and love is beyond words, (Dr Jb taylor said, “Euphoria! Euphoria!”) it changed my attitude to life in such a wonderful loving and peaceful way. By the way She had no prior training in focusing her mind to stillness, she could have experienced much more.
Funny thing in India they have always treated their teachers with honour, the title for a King is Raja and the tittle of a great teacher is Raji, they say God is every where but without teacher) how we would we know our selves, certainly not through reading ANY religious text or texts, chanting, candles, whale music, yoga mats/shoes. I am, after experiencing one for myself, in agreement with them.
I have posted you a few vids of a spiritual nature, have you not noticed that for what ever reason when the mind shuts up people can experience their 'Ground of Being', 'The Elan Vital' and so touch the Divine? here's a poem of Ravidas put to music,
[www.youtube.com] hit the translate button for english

A bit of history. At the time of Ravidas, Kabir, Nanak and others, people lived through very bad times for India, it had been at war for many, many years culminating in the Moghal Empires total destruction of Delhi. These mystic saints brought a message of peace and love, at this dreadful time and far better than that, the way to enjoin with the divine. The Sikh teachers revered them so much they put their poems and prose in to their book of spiritual sayings, the 'Guru Granth Sahid'

Sorry for the delay and some what bitty response I am not well at the moment. malc

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1642 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 153 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 143 PB Bytes 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 159 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 139 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 163 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 153 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 144 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 143 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 140 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 129 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 134 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 147 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 145 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 132 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 153 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 146 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 161 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 135 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 129 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 132 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 129 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 125 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 126 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 143 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 139 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 162 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 125 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 138 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 136 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 156 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 143 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 145 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 128 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 133 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 135 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 144 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 138 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 144 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 125 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 141 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 124 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 131 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 136 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 130 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 157 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 132 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 139 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 138 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 142 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 137 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 129 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 144 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 140 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 143 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 143 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 145 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 156 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 141 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 170 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 160 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 136 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 151 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 138 PB Bytes 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 133 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 142 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 126 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 142 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 126 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 124 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 125 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 154 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 144 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 141 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 130 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 141 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 132 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 131 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 133 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 133 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 129 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 113 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 122 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 119 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 123 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 115 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 127 PB Bytes 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 128 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 123 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 125 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 132 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 137 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 136 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 150 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 135 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 160 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 132 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 138 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 144 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 159 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 132 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 123 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 147 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 134 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 153 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 123 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 126 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 119 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 129 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 125 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 133 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 127 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 131 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 122 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 216 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 129 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 106 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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