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Be careful Ray you don't become a member of the Scientism club. What a sheltered life you have led, I have found in every walk of life, if you are an employee its always the employer who benefits the most. You didn't mention funding Ray what do these 'real scientists' do if there field of study is not supported? Who do they have to do a dance for, to get the funding? But lets not go to far into the obvious problems of our modern society. “
It is a shame you didn't appreciate what the study revealed or should I say what the people experienced and talked about! Like the what effects of 'knowing the self' can and would do if everyone could experience this wonder. But we miss the mark, living in our made up world of concepts and ideals we have considered and discussed amongst our selves. What big egos we have, yet all around the world burns.
The pastor of Riverside megachurch Jarred Wilson could definitely have done with the experience offered in the study, by these mudfuds.
[www.latimes.com]
“Kabir This world is a house made of wood, and, lo! it is burning furiously;
He who stays in it dies.
The Yogi withdraws from it in meditation and he is saved.
Thy birth as man is a ripe fruit which is seen only once; make the most of the practice of devotion and compassion and the acquisition of true Knowledge.
O Kabîr, there is a way out of this illusory world: Know the soul at any cost. “
I was lucky to find a way, through traditional Raj yoga (Yoga does not mean wrapping your legs around your neck, how would a disabled person find inner peace that way. Yoga = Union), seeing and being engulfed in 'ITs' power and love is beyond words, (Dr Jb taylor said, “Euphoria! Euphoria!”) it changed my attitude to life in such a wonderful loving and peaceful way. By the way She had no prior training in focusing her mind to stillness, she could have experienced much more.
Funny thing in India they have always treated their teachers with honour, the title for a King is Raja and the tittle of a great teacher is Raji, they say God is every where but without teacher) how we would we know our selves, certainly not through reading ANY religious text or texts, chanting, candles, whale music, yoga mats/shoes. I am, after experiencing one for myself, in agreement with them.
I have posted you a few vids of a spiritual nature, have you not noticed that for what ever reason when the mind shuts up people can experience their 'Ground of Being', 'The Elan Vital' and so touch the Divine? here's a poem of Ravidas put to music,
[www.youtube.com] hit the translate button for english

A bit of history. At the time of Ravidas, Kabir, Nanak and others, people lived through very bad times for India, it had been at war for many, many years culminating in the Moghal Empires total destruction of Delhi. These mystic saints brought a message of peace and love, at this dreadful time and far better than that, the way to enjoin with the divine. The Sikh teachers revered them so much they put their poems and prose in to their book of spiritual sayings, the 'Guru Granth Sahid'

Sorry for the delay and some what bitty response I am not well at the moment. malc

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1370 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 76 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 72 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 71 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 65 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 76 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 75 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 65 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 60 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 62 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 63 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 63 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 65 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 72 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 65 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 73 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 60 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 53 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 54 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 53 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 52 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 53 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 59 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 64 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 61 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 53 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 60 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 65 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 65 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 59 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 56 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 58 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 59 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 63 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 59 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 50 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 49 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 51 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 54 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 56 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 64 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 69 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 56 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 57 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 66 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 67 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 66 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 59 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 70 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 66 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 71 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 76 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 69 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 78 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 68 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 66 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 62 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 62 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 61 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 55 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 57 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 62 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 54 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 54 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 54 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 66 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 61 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 57 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 59 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 64 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 53 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 56 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 53 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 56 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 55 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 46 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 51 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 48 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 52 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 50 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 54 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 54 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 49 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 57 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 61 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 52 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 61 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 62 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 66 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 67 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 64 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 63 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 62 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 66 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 52 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 53 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 60 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 51 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 55 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 51 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 48 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 49 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 54 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 56 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 61 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 58 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 60 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 50 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 73 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 53 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 42 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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